But they're not giving you traits. All they're saying is that you're married and had a kid. Hell, maybe you got married yesterday and you only got married for financial benefits? Not every married person is a loving, committed, family person. Psychopaths can get married.

In fact, Fallout 3 was even WORSE. Can't you remember? In Fallout 4 - you're married, have a kid and a house, and it all goes when the bombs fall. In Fallout 3 - your mum died at childbirth, you had a best friend called Amita, you were tormented (or merely annoyed) by a group of bullies called the Tunnel Snakes, your dad leaves you and you begin to chase him. Heck, in Fallout 3 they even forced you to play through the first twenty years of your life in a way completely determined by Bethesda.

I voted "I don't care" - because imo the issue is not whether the character is married to the opposite gender and has a child, but whether the dialogue options and story later in the game allows the character to have different personalities and different sixual orientations.

E.g. a person can be married for different reasons; not all of them for sixual attraction and/or love. And a person can become pregnant/get someone pregnant without really wanting a child or thinking about the consequences. And a person could be in a heterosixual marriage but later realize it really wasn't your thing and you are in fact gay, or prefer one night stands to marriage or w/e. If dialogue allows for that, I'm fine with the heterosixual marriage at the start of the game. If not, then a same six marriage should be an option. In that case we still won't be able to play as anything other than a monogamous person who was married for love, but at least we'd have the freedom to play characters with different orientations.

Being in a gaymarriage with an adopted child or a child from a surrogate mother should be well within the realm of posibillities. If Beth wants you to be who you wanna be.

I don't care because at this point in the game's development, its not going to happen. They're not going to go back and change the intro. They're most likely beta testing the game right now.

If Beth wants to pander to every viewpoint/belief, then yeah. I guess that would be in the realm of possibilities.

Or, we just enjoy the potential great story Fallout 4 has to offer and you can head-cannon whatever you like - Of course, complaining on the forums is just as amusing, I guess.

I think it's actually a lot like starting out TES games in prison. You can choose to play the sort of person likely to be imprisoned, or you can devise another explanation for why you were there,. In Fallout 4 you can choose to have been part of a heterosixual married couple or you can choose to have married an opposite six partner for Reasons, or you and an opposite six partner were impersonating a married couple for Reasons.

No. Roleplay your way around it if you don't like. Just like we have been doing all the time. You married for the sake of social appearances. Nobody is preventing you from it.

No, it's not lore friendly.

How so?

this is getting ridiculous. im all for lgbt acceptance but people have to realize shoehorning it into every game is will detract from other gameplay aspects. besides in this game you are playing as a person that has his history decided. the fact is that well nothing is wrong with having a gay character it makes more sense to have a straight one. why? because the majority of people are in fact straight. it is easier for them to step into the persons shoes. in addition forcing the player to be gay would alienate a portion of the player base. and well that portion would in all hopes be miniscule it is certainly larger than the number of people who wont play it because the couple is hetero.

Since when is being gay a viewpoint/belief? There was a time when interracial relationships where viewed like that. Even if the option of gay relations exists in FO4, what would it matter to those who do not choose that option?

Pre-war society is based on a retrofuturistic 1950's viewpoint. That implies culture and values.

I'm sure it was done for story reasons but something tell me the story won't be no different then FO3 but instead of looking for your father it's your wife and child.

But we can clearly make a interracial couple and interracial marriage wasn't made legal until 1967. We can't say it's base 100% off the 50s but pick and choose which parts. Also in FNV the picture in Vault 21 have James and the LW's mom as a interracial couple.

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1967 is close enough to the 50s. Same six marriage in Massachusetts was not legal until 2005. Big difference.

I don't want to get involved in this whole argument, but it's worth pointing out that they are a post-war couple. That picture is not representative of pre-war life.

Yeah no that doesn't work imo. Even if interracial marriage came decades before gay marriage you can't say we didn't add x because it wasn't a thing in the 50s but we added y even though it wasn't a thing in the 50s.

But we are can make one a pre war one in FO4.

Actually pandering and catering to the fans ruined a great game like Dragon Age Inquisition. It has to much focus on sixuality as a thing, it even has a codex entry called "sixuality in Thedas": Acceptance is good, and people should be accepting and respect others. If you are gonna use sixuality, make it a conflict, use it to battle prejudice and hatred. Not put it there because you are afraid to alienate fans. Bethesda's vision, and product, we are just taking part in what others use 1000 of hours to create. I wish more developers would just make the games they wanna make and we can just choose to take part of it or not, based on elements we like/dislike. Rant over.

Since we don't know whether or not you're the person from the intro or just a clone of them, there is no point in delaying the game for a big money update for ten minutes of an intro that wouldn't even matter anyway.

No more delays. No more pushbacks. We have been dying for Fallout 4 for years and we shall have it. So, to answer your question: No. And to emphasis my point... v

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I know. Like I said, that wasn't me making an argument. Just pointing out that the specific picture mentioned isn't credible evidence. The ability to make one ourselves, however, is. At least in regards to interracial couples.

That's exactly what makes me afraid. There's so much ranting about these things nowadays that in games such as Bioware's, you see these things tacked on the lore and the game just so the "muh diversity" crowd doesn't complain about it.

Interracial marriage wasn't fully legal in the USA until 1967, but other states legalized it earlier. In Massachusetts, interracial marriage was legalized long, long before the 50s. However, like most controversial political topics, there were competing laws and propositions and bans that weren't fully enforced, etc that came between that and '67. They came and went. It was messy. As always, it's sticky until it goes federal, but it was a existent political question, part of reality, people had an opinion on it, there were known couples, etc. Massachusetts, being one of them New England states, was probably fairly liberal regarding (and on the other hand, it's Boston--the most hateful tolerant town there is). Only that core southern group (where I live, unfortunately--it's 100 degrees out right now) had to update when '67 came along.

Dragon Age has a loooooooooooooooooot of codex entries tho. It's a very fleshed out setting. And they do use sixuality to battle prejudice... in the real world.

It is what made Dragon Age Origins so great. You never needed to know that Zevran was bisixual if you were female and same with Leliana if you were male. It was just there, as you changed six it would change dialogue. That was just amazing design. And then comes DA:I. And unknown companion personal quest just smacks gay all over you, no matter what you are playing in game. I am gay and even i found that to be preachy. I'll stop ranting now.

Abo[censored]ely, like i mentioned just now. DA:O did it perfectly. DAII and DA:I was abit to preachy and tacked on. That is just my take on it.

Agreed 100%, Akrabra.

I really loved how The Witcher 3 presented aspects like this. It was done so in a very mature and believable way - Not forced down our throats in an attempt to pander, like DAI.