I'm pretty sure you can gay in previous DA games before Inquisition. That said I generally agree that devs shouldn't be forced to add stuff end to try to please everyone but I also believe that everyone has the right to express their opinion on the matter regardless.

Wasn't there a [censored] storm fairly recently over not being a female in Assassins Creed of Dishonored? Anyways I agreed that we shouldn't force a devs to throw something into a game if it doesn't fit. It does no one any favors at that point. However I do feel like those who want it should ask for it in the future because it's not happening at this point.

Also you read the codex? I just clicked on them for the little bit of XP.

Yeah the option to be gay has always been in Dragon Age, but it wasn't preachy in the first game, it was just there. So that was good. Assassin's Creed unity had a beep storm before launch about female characters. Not sure about Dishonored, but it is getting Emily as a protagonist in the second game, and it is for story reasons, which is good. Not just because she is female.

Yes i read all of the codex entries eventually. I read most of the books in Elder Scrolls aswell, i enjoy that lore flavor. But i never do it first playthrough.

Next AC game is getting a playable female protagonist as well =P

Political correctness, were everything has to cater to everyone and must offend no one...this fetters our freedom of speech to the extent that developers either can't write or are enjoined to not write about a heterosixual couple, but instead create something that does just enough to appease everyone.

I blame Bioware

Outside of Dorian is any other gay or bi character sixuality really forced on us? Sera and Iron Bull don't really mention their sixuality unless your flirt on them( and Sera seems more concerned about your being a Human, Qun, or Elf). I do agree they shouldn't have forced Dorian sixuality on us. Especially when there is more they could have done with him.

Hm, it's interesting how some people think we should svck it up and get over it when heterosixuality is forced down our throats, but when homosixuality is forced down our throats it is awful and ruins the game And that was even in the form of another character; it's not like Bioware forced anyone to play as gay.

If this were something like The Witcher, where you play a set character then I'd be more inclined to agree. But this is a game in a series where personal freedom is a selling point. They even said in the first game-play reveal that "Player freedom is our absolute number one priority".

Clearly it isn't. Because as far as freedom goes, it's one of the largest step backwards that's been done in the series.

I don't think they ought to not have the player character heterosixual, married and a parent because of "diversity". I think they ought not to have it because it completely goes against this "absolute number one priority" that is supposedly freedom for the player.

The Set Background in terms of roleplaying is a huge concern, no doubt about it, but that's more of a long term problem rather then a short term problem. When we all get to our 3rd and 4th playthroughs and roleplaying becomes a problem due to voiced Protagonist plus the background, then it's a huge problem.

I don't think a person sixual orientation should define them. The problem with Dorian in DA I is he is a pretty good character( imo) but they made the fact he is gay define him. Not the fact he is a rebel in his homeland looking for a way to change it for the better and he just so happen to be gay. Nope it he father disapproves of him being gay which is fine little part of his story but it shouldn't be the story.

well since you design the characters to create the look for the baby...you kinda have to have a guy and gal. Unless i'm just very misinformed about how procreation works lol.

I agree on that. Just pointing out the weird double standards that some people have.

This i agree with. sixuality doesn't define you, even if it is part of your idendity. Our other qualities has values, and those values can be strengthened by our sixuality, but we need not show or share it. It is just there. I feel very preachy now.

That's a fair point to be honest, but it's disingenuous of Beth to say that player freedom is their number one priority, there are numerous examples in Fallout 3 where if we strictly followed that assertion we would notice contradictions. Whether it be perks being gated behind skill levels or karmic affiliations or pretty much any RPG element, as they have to restrict freedom to some extent.The player doesn't have the ability or the freedom to do many things based on the RPG nature of Fallout 3 if we are being pedantic, the point you raised is a good one but BGS are never truly congruent with this proclamation, as freedom can be limited in areas of greater benefit (RPG elements etc).So I personally don't think this immutable backstory is a notable incongruity within the larger backdrop of their ethos and it's implementation.

This needn't be about political correctness. Just about another option. Beth is all about choices, ba who you want to be and all that. You can be white, black, male or female. Why not gay? It won't matter to those who wish to roll a straight character, they'll just not choose that option.

I absolutely agree with you.

But Dorian's father never disapproves of him being gay. He disapproves of him not doing his duty, which is a huge difference.

Yes I'm so entitled because I don't want to see the same exact thread for the 500th time. I'm pretty sure your concerns are heard at this point whether it deserves to be a concern or not is a different story. And no it shouldn't be a concern.

I doubt anything will be changed, it's too late for that. That's one of the issues doing what Beth did announcing the game and having it release in the fall. You don't have the time to change anything if something is criticized.

It wouldnt make sense. The idea of the couple at the begining is to choose your six.... no?

It really doesn't matter to me to be honest, as long if it's not ham shoed in like how DA2 did it, but at this point of time in development then it's too late to add it. The gameplay is more important at this point honestly.

I think it's very fitting for the enviroment Fallout 4 is set in which is this very pro American 60-90s Golden Age.

The problem with your argument is things, such as karma and perks, are gameplay mechanics and act more like nature in the game. We have freedom but as much as the nature itself allows us to have. FYI: There's a point to how much freedom one should have and Bethesda ruined it with the pre-determined family idea they did in Fallout 4 (which I'm still planning on roleplaying around as my 'false family' and if the wife is still alive, she's dead on sight due to her being a villain in pre-war time that I was spying on).

In Fallout 3, New Vegas, and Elder Scrolls series... We always had the freedom to do what we want in the game worlds and what we want with our characters. Not once being limited to pre-determined perks, choices, genders, etc. At most, we may get a little backstory (such as being a courier in New Vegas, Dragonborn in Skyrim, or being from Vault 101 in FO3) but nothing too much that actually determines our character and their personality. (I still am questioning the PC voice ordeal myself. Hoping it will be good enough that it isn't a generic voice for a generic hero character).

It does matter to those that wish to experience the story as intended, and not design by committee.

No, I don't think so. I think that the idea behind the couple is to show the perfect life the PC had and then lost. I even think that they'll include some kind of messages or items like an old wedding picture which will be used to describe his/her past and the relationship they had more accurately.

I think people are forgetting that same six couples, gay marriage etc are all very recent developments. In the 40s and 50s homosixuality was still criminalised in the USA (or at least homosixual six, or 'sodomy' as it was called back then). Same six couples openly living together would be unthinkable, never mind same six couples with a child. More or less the only option available to gay individuals (especially if they wanted to make a career and especially if the career was in the army) was to stay in the closet, as it was throughout most of non-ancient history.

There is little evidence as far as I'm aware of gender equality in pre-war Fallout world, at least judging by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cco_DvSzrts. The fact that interracial marriage is possible in FO4 does not mean it's accepted in that world.

I'm wondering though why does it even matter, since you spend so little time in the pre-war world compared to the rest of the game. The only discrimination in the post-war FO world is against ghouls.