No time to implement something like this.

It's not that they're against it, it's that they want this set narrative background for our characters.

I can appreciate them wanting to try something new, though it could've done with some more flexibility in my opinion.

But it not that big of a deal as far as I'm concerned. I honestly wouldn't care if my character was into dudes until the world exploded, after I assume control everything will go as I want it to go. I'll be mean to my man[censored], slam the door in people's faces and so on. I don't think it's gonna matter in the end. By the time you exit that vault you'll be to busy exploring and shooting [censored] to think about who you'd want to stick your virtual meat in.

But once I assume control, I don't want gay stuff happening to my character. This should be respected both ways, for hetero and gay people.

Honestly don′t care either, as long as the devs aren′t focusing on it and shoving it in my face.

Yeah, I completely understand that. Hell, I don't even really want to be married in the game, let alone be straight when I don't want to be!

If you look at it one way: they're focusing on this heterosixual relationship and shoving it in our face. Which is why people really want the option of a same six relationship at least after the tutorial in the main quest or no relationship at all.

I′d go for no relationship at all. There′s real life and mods for that.

Sounds more like entitlement to me? This is the option Beth chose for the intro of "their" game. In what ways does the gay community think they have a right to change it? This isn't a law, or a career, or anything were equality rights really matter. It's a video game, created by artists for consumers to enjoy, if you don't like what you see don't buy it. That's the single most effective way to tell Beth you don't like their product. You wouldn't get mad if you read a book and the character was gay when you wanted them straight, it's not how it works. But at this point your saying "well Beth has told us countless times that we should be able to play who ever we want, and to make your own story". Well you can still do that! Just get past the intro and pretend none of it happened, it was all a dream while you were sleeping in vault 111. The whining has to stop, the constant threads of such a minor aspect of the game are getting rather annoying and on my nerves.

Sorry rant over

I suppose it could work if they just said the baby was adopted, but it wouldn't fit in too well storywise. Fallout was modeled after 50's culture, and that culture was kind of infamous for driving gays to commit suicide. A gay couple having an adopted child would probably not go over well in that world.

Oh good lord, read the million other posts about this.

While I would prefer the option I don't see them including it so late into the game. Besides just because my character is married and has a Baby doesn't mean s/he is straight. Maybe peer pressure from the family forced them to marry. The area of the USA they are in isn't open to same six couples. All that it forces on us is to change a few lines in our characters backstory.

Yeah, but they are not going to change it. But I would prefer to be a wife, having a wife. Rather than having a husband. But again no matter how much we would want it to change it won't. They're not going to call in the VA's and add lots of new voiced dialogue lines to fit this.

Unless they have already done it and want to keep it a secret, which I doubt. No hint about it in the E3 demo, either.

How is what I said so crazy? Are you familiar with Alan Turing and what happened to him? Back in the 50's they classified homosixuality as a mental illness and "treated" it with electroshock therapy. I'm not saying Fallout has never had gay people in it. I'm saying that it might have become more accepted after the population realized it was far less harmful than, say, cannibalistic raiders.

The worry is that after the intro the whole hetero thing is still gonna be pounded into our head and it will be difficult to make it through the main story role-playing as gay or bi. People also want relationships, and together with the voiced protagonist and limited dialogue options people are worried. No there is no law and if you notice no one is threatening a lawsuit, they're simply expressing their frustration. Even if every LGBT person didn't buy a copy of the game it would still make a lot of money so this is actually an okay way to try and address the problem. If you don't like it just ignore the threads. You just seem "entitled" to not even have us acknowledged or make a criticism.

Like I said, read what's already been said. This isn't 1950, it's 2077. There were interracial marriages, ethnic minorities in leadership positions and women in the front line U.S. military.

That gay marriage is also accepted isn't a stretch.

Interracial marriages were allowed in the 60s. This isn't far from a '50s feeling'. But same six marriages were a 21th century thing. They were not even a political topic until the 90s. Same six marriages are even today not allowed everywhere. And in a future inspired by the 50s it's even more unlikely to have them.

They were allowed, in some parts. They were not accepted.

Are you honestly going to tell me that a government sponsored program to preserve it's citizens in 1950 would prioritise an interracial couple and their mixed race child?

It's a future inspired by the 50's idea of the future, not the 50's itself. Why do people struggle with this idea when Fallout has constantly demonstrated it?

On the other hand, most of these things aren't given a ton of prominence. You have small bits of info here and there, but that's about it. Gay marriage is still a debated topic in this world, it's not so crazy to think that a world modeled after the 50's might be lacking in the human rights department. Honestly, I'm not so sure we entirely know how far along human rights was in their world. It might be as you say and that they were pretty far along. On the other hand, all of what you mentioned might have been driven by sheer desperation. Women might have been sent to the front lines due to a need for troops, for example. All I was saying was that I wasn't so sure it fit with the tone of America before the bombing. There's no need for hostility when people are simply stating an opinion.

Ya know, I don't really care but I voted 'disagree' anyhow because I'm getting tired of seeing virtually every work of art being attacked because it conflicts with or fails to cater to the delicate sensibilities of some special interest group. This game starts you in a traditional marriage. That game sixualizes women. Oh no! There is a movie that has a white guy playing Moses. And over there is another one that glamorizes a sniper! This TV show doesn't have enough minorities. Characters are smoking tobacco in that movie! Remove that old American classic from the library shelves because it uses ... that word! Goodbye, Huck.

Really, doesn't all of this kind of crap stifle creativity and artistic freedom? Is there really anything wrong with Bethesda trying to tell a story that involves something as common as a protagonist with a family? Really?

Yes it's a future inspired by the 50s. But even than same six marriages are not very plausible. As I said... interracial marriages are 60s. Same six marriages were a topic since the 90s and still are disallowed in some states. Women in the military isn't that new. Especially in a large war time. Massachusetts did allow same six marriages in 2004. I think it's very likely to assume that the pre-war society was still against same six couples.

The op original post seemed like a jittering of words.

It jumped from homophobe to SJW, to a bunch of other topics about the LGBT community.....I thought this was Fallout not some Politically correct promotional documentary.

New Vegas did it best, there were some gay characters, who acted like normal people, and no [censored] were given.

Women in combat roles is so new for the U.S. it hasn't been done yet.

Yes, the U.S. is rather backwards in that regard today, but we're comparing the U.S. of today to the U.S. of Fallout after all.

There's no evidence that there was any discrimination against gay people pre-war, and you can't say it's because gay rights wasn't 50's, because women's rights wasn't 50's either and whether you like to acknowledge it or not interracial marriages were absolutely not accepted in many parts of the U.S. in the 50's, in the 60's or even the 70's.

The responses you set up match a statement not a question.

I don't see 'when' you'd be able to pick it, would a pop-up happen and go "oy! you gay?"

But whatever, if it can be done without feeling extremely shoehorned in then yeah, I want it.