Sorry Ronin, you just seem too negative in this aspect. You have provided no support that the pricks in the games are largely found in clans. That is merely biased opinion because they are more easily recognizable by a clan name, rather than individuals. Their are most likely just as many pricks in clans as their are outside of clans.

And your so called other point is not valid at all. How can you not see a benefit to having clans. What benefit exists from not having clans? The pricks will still exist no matter what, and that is your only argument it seems, so its lost. The clans will gather more members to the game, and if they have a purpose to keep playing, they will continue to play. Playing with a clan for all those people who are interested in clans will increase the games longevity for them, thus increasing the games longevity in general.

It may have no effect on you as you seem to be a lone wolf now, but to many others out there it would have a positive effect. Please stop using the pricks argument, as it can be seen in any game, that clans have no impact on the number of pricks.

@Ronin0ni. A clan isn't just about leaderboards, clan tournaments and everything you say you hate. I clan is group of gamers getting together for a common goal or goals with a structure and purpose. The purpose can be anything defined by the clan (ie: play just for fun or play in gamebattles). If you actually look at my site you will see that we have name, code of conduct and actually structure that goes way beyond having a friend list with just clan tags. Lets put it this way I would not be spending money on site just to have a friends lists. Gamers join clans also for socialization and camaradrie and to have the tags, names and feel like they have a purpose. If gamers only join clans for the competive nature of gaming you would not have many fun clans and gaming communities out there today.

I myself have served in the military and know what it is like to be in team environment and have purpose; which you think clans would have similar philosphy, but most clans don't which you have described as being negative, which I don't blame you, I would be the same way as well. I just think your view of clan is just very narrow and you should look at clans from different points of view.

Not trying to hijack a thread but using the search option this was the only one that came up. Will Brink have clans period? at a minimum way to group up with friends?? or will games be with random players every time?

Thanks

If you are talking about a lobby to gather you friends before you play...I think so? The co-op is drop in-drop out system.

Time to remind some of you about http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/724862-forum-rules-and-general-information/

The first is self censoring words, don't do it.



The second is flaming others or groups of people by calling them names.



Trust me when I say the last thing any of you want is a PM in your inbox from a moderator about any of the above. Thanks for understanding guys.

I think what RoninOni might be talking about is the typical pack mentality that you get with some people. I do play in a clan mostly made up of 35-40 year olds, and we do have a young pup or two. I don't know if it is their attempts to fit in with the rest of the players in the group.. But one of the pups does this thing I like to call the parrot. A clan member will say something, then 10 seconds later the pup is trying to fit it to his sentence.. Sometimes is funny most times it's not..

Another example, I was in a game with two or three members from my clan and four or five from another clan that we met earlier in the night.. we secured the first two objectives and were in the process of moving towards the third.. Then I hear someone talking about "I'm a better sniper than you!!" Next thing I know, there is seven of the eight squad members are all prone on the same roof trying to show the next guy up.. to make matters worse the other three squads were not pushing the final objective either so every time I would get close to it all I could hear was 32 people on the opposing team calling "dibs" on killing me..

Bottom line jerks will always gravitate towards each other and form a super jerk group/clan. It is up to the rest of us to make good clans to keep them in check.

RoninOni, if you are on PS3 look me up after launch maybe I can change your mind about clans if you get in to a good group..

Finally, clans do add longevity to games. When was the last time you heard anything about "Warhawk" There is no advertising period, only word of mouth and that game is still going strong.

I really agree with this statement.

Ro was nicer than me since I've about had it with editing for autocensor avoidence in this section and with describing groups of people who will be playing this game "jerks/pricks". We won't have fans dissing other fans here. I was going to threaten to something I'd get banned for. Instead I will just let all of you know that we are dead serious about warning and giving short suspensions to those who continue to do these things.

And don't quote someone doing so either just to agree or tell them that. Instead practice your moves by pressing that report button.

@BULLAK

I agree with your statement 100% as well.

I really think clan support is critical for long term success. At least from my point of view, once I have unlocked the skills beat the game it's done. On to the next game, pull the old game I beat out once in awhile. Unless you add in a competitive goal to strive toward there is no reason for me to stick around once I have beaten the game. Even funnest games I have ever played, once beat are seldom if ever played again. You need goals, achievements, even if they are unachievable at least you feel like your working toward something. It's why MMO's are so popular and have such loyal fan bases. There is always something just over the horizon, new gear, new bosses, the quest to be the best clan/guild on a server.

It's fine if clans aren't your thing, play publics , play clan wars, doesn't matter. But if you really like the game and want to see it still around 2 years after release you should hope there is some foresight used to keep as many players involved as possible. It's the same reason I want to see girl avatars. Sure i'd never play one, but 1/2 of my current clan and a good deal of my gamer friends are girls and they all want em. ( I already know they won't be in at release) Having more options will bring in more players, more players = more money= better game. Companies are in business to make money, no money no support, no support no players.

I really like this game thus far and want to see it become a staple in the gaming community. To do that it needs to be more than just a level up get a few unlocks have some fun type of game. It needs long term investment emotionally from players. This comes about from friendships and competition both PvE and PvP. We all know the most popular game in the world atm is World of Warcraft. Over 90% of their 11million players are in guilds. Want the game to last, worry about what's best for the game, not what's best for you personally as a player. If an option isn't good for you that's fine, but we all need as many people as possible to get the options we want to see in game. Every player, clan, they bring in is better for us all in the long run, and keeping them around is crucial.

Personally, I wouldn't like to see any clan support at all. Just none.

“I'm really sensitive to the dangers of introducing things in the game that people can obsess over, to the point of ruining the game for others, and we're very careful to identify and avoid them. For instance, global leaderboards for stuff like k/d ratios and what not: bad idea, since they discourage players from taking chances and actually doing what's necessary to help. So bam! Not having them. I know other games do, and they're kind of standard, but screw it, not the right thing for Brink." -Richard Ham

I think that clans should be added to this statement. I'm sure that there are casual clans or clans that don't take things way too seriously, but in my experience clans just haven't been a good thing.

@Krytt

My clan is one of those clans where we don't care and don't get obessive about leaderboards, k/ds...etc.. However, for the hardcoe clans they do and this where I think full clan support will be not a focus for SD for that reason that you stated above. I admit it would be nice to have system for clan clothes, clan tags and system to recruit new members, but leaderboards and the like I don't care for.

some clans arent bad. most are just a group of friends that play video games with each other. there is nothing wrong with that. once it becomes too competitive or they get too cocky, thats when things go bad

Players are the same regardless of whether they are in clans. It's the internet so they will act however they want whenever they want. Blaming clans for the immorality of the gaming world is very far fetched. Blame the internet and it's anonymity. Nice players will run with nice clans and jerks will run with jerks. Just part of everyday life. When servers start being run, the only servers that will be highly moderated 20+ hours daily will be those run by small groups of friends or clans, and those servers will become the most popular because the good clans will ban hackers, remove jerks etc and maintain a good server. The public servers will be filled with every hacker and jerk around because they can't enter any respectable clans server. This is the way it's been fort he 10 years I've been involved with clans.

It's easy to point the blame on clans for the way people act, but I run a clan, can I affect they way you act on the internet? No, all I can do is remove you from my clan for doing something offensive. Does that mean you would stop? No. You would just move on and find another environment to act out in.
Are their mean spirited clans, of course, but that's because there are mean spirited people. It has nothing to do with being in a clan.

I also know for a fact that "mean spirited" gamers act the way they act because they think they are completely anonymous and can get away with it. In actual fact they can be found out by a little know thing call and "IP Address" which can be traced and companies like Sony and Microsoft can ban your console from PS3 Network or Xbox Live. This is of course common knowledge for any gamer, but it just seems that most mean spirited games don't care or don't know that can get banned for disrespectful behavior, cheating and such. However, in saying that I do believe that Microsoft really needs to ravmp there "Rating System and Complaint System". It seems for the most part many things go uncheck and we have many gamers who are mean spirited have 5/5 Stars....something is wrong with that. I cannot speak for the ps3 gamers but I assume they have similar system in place. I just think the whole Xbox 360 rep system is joke for the most part!

I am a PC gamer so i don't really have any knowledge of the Xbox or PS3 systems, so all of my input comes from a PC gamers view and the way I intend to play the game. I have serious doubt about Xbox or PS3 banning people for being mean unless it was racists sixual etc. Players pay the bills and money rules the gaming world. What's right or wrong is often determined by the size of your pocketbook in our society and that spills even more so into the gaming industry. I do agree that the anonymous nature of online gaming is what makes people act out disrespectfully toward others.

Well on Xbox Live Microsoft you will ban you not just for sixual and/or racial issues, but for harassment, bullying, cheating as well. I think for being a overall nasty gamers online no, but sending death threats and stuff like they will ban your console and I know Sony has something similar. I remember one situation in my old clan where I remove a member due to the fact he was a very strange 17 year old who was just a trouble maker and drama queen. I banned him from the clan and than he sent me death threats via Xbox Live. I found from some of his ex-friends that he was banned from Xbox Live 3 times. The really scarey news is the fact there guys are online and feel it is ok to do this stuff.....just unbelieveable!

I agree with 100% money rules the gaming industry for sure.

anyways...

@Aqua: I'm not a lone wolf friend. I ALWAYS play with at LEAST 1 friend, if not 3-4. we have better team work then most full teams. Just cause I don't join up in a clan doesn't make me a lonewolf. Who's making generalizations now?

@Tristam: I understand what you are saying... I know there are good clans out there. I've been in all kinds of clans, from hack creating clans to anti-cheater, "public service" clans (We hunted griefer clans and chased them off servers) I've been in normal clans, clan tourneys, clan battles... you name it. From the righteous to the devious.

What I mean when I say "I don't see the benefit" is that EVERYTHING you do as a clan, could be done as just a "group of friends" Every good clan practically defines themselves as such. You can have organized team battles, tournaments, etc, without the general convention of "clans".


I dunno, whether or not this game does anything to "support clans" won't change peoples behavior I guess...

I am still 100% opposed to anything that even smells of a leaderboard though

Another major problem caused from not having clan support/clan battles etc, is it puts very good organized clans into public servers. In the current game we play my clan and I never go to publics together, it's just not fair or fun. If clans are forced to play together in public servers there are going to be some seriously unhappy public players. Players of all skill levels should be allowed to play and enjoy the game, when you force the organized teams/clans with strats and voice chat into public servers things can get ugly in a hurry.

The only thing that could save it is the match maker, but as games get harder to find at higher levels, clans will make new chars buff em up with stored exp and roll new players out of boredom. I think it's silly to not have some foresight of the problems that will be caused by not having decent clan support. I realize there are some very very good players out there who aren't in clans that can more than hold their own, but when you have a bunch of randoms with you ages 6 to 60 of varying skill your going to have issues beating or even competing against an organized clan on voice chat.

Clans will come, from the jerks to the nice guys, nothing anyone says or does will stop that. Denial isn't really a solution.

There will be a team matchmaking process...

I can only imagine that if you have a full team of 8 (ie; ur clan) and you search for a game, it will pit you against another FULL team of 8 who is waiting for competition.

Random casuals, on the other hand, will join in much smaller groups, and will be grouped together randomly.

That should solve that issue if designed properly.

I apologize for the lone wolf comment.

However, I do slightly agree with you on the leader board thing. Honestly, they do not need a matches won/loss or k/d ratio leader boards or damage dealt leader boards, because it does discourage team play. However, these are essentially the only type of leader boards we are use to seeing.

We all instantly jump to the idea of leader boards in that light and yes they can hurt team play when they are designed the typical way. However, I am not sure why the developers did not create unique leader boards that were unique to BRINK itself. Perhaps they could not figure out some good leader boards and that is why they do not plan to have leader boards, I do not know, perhaps the future will contains some unique BRINK specific leader boards though.

It would be cool to have different kind of leader board not relying on wins/loss or kd, but I am not sure what. I have to admit that the brink forum is one of the nicer forums to be on...much better than say the gamespot forums for example. I personally hate being on fourms where like playing with clans online can be a bad experience. I found the members here are actually cool and don't really gets mad at one other minus some disagreements time to time. I just wish online play was like that!

They could have a leader board with stats for the buffs to to teams ect but then again that would then get abused and defeat the whole purpose of them not having individual leaderboards. I dont really see an issue in having leaderboards in a clan not with k/d but with win/loss or how many objectives were completed in your matches if your in clan your not going to be worrying about your stats thats the whole point of joining a clan is to find like minded players in which to group up and whatch eachother backs aslo the stats would refelct the clan so in would benefit everyone to work better together and not try to stat pad or lone wolf I dont really see an issue with a global clan leaderboard.

On another note I think it would be cool if they had some sort of clan goals ex. win 50matches you get a medal for your clan which can be seen or your clan as a whole perform 500 knockdown slides ect. Just some more in game achievements for people to work towards with there clan members would give the game more life because after getting all trophies, beating the game multiple times and playing the heck out of the MP things can get a little repitive having something to work towards is always nice which is the reason I would like to see a clan leaderboard but clan achievements would be cool as well

No matter what Brink does humans will be humans every leaderboard or other measure will be abused by booster, lonewolves, etc., the only thing clan leaderboards would do is draw people who are looking for high rankings not teamwork, rankings listing just clans, not members, would be okay but I think its too late to have implement a whole clan in the game seeing what it is so far, but theres always hope for Brink 2 if clans are your thing.

If there is a leaderboard....

ppl WILL find a way to boost it.

better off without it.



Clan tags have no real effect... no real harm either. No opposition here.
Badges... same as tags really...but cooler though, but shouldn't be restricted to clanners only though.
"Clan" matchmaking... is really just GOOD team matchmaking. Still flawed, but the best solution for everything.
Tournaments are, IMO, best handled by 3rd parties such as MLG... and only require PRIVATE team battles, which are confirmed in
Battle recorder would just be cool, and tournaments would really use it... so a definite plus all around. Also good for busting "boosters"