Look who's calling the kettle black

I dont think your going to win the argument. Horse is very persistent.

When you say "trophies," are you referring to achievements? MW2, one of if not the most popular online FPS for consoles, has all single player achievements.


Well in my eyes,that clan really isn't that serious, are they? If you are "serious" about a clan, and have a mentality like "I'm willing to work hard, but not that hard," then your clan is nothing more than a bunch of guys that like to play the same game(s). Any clan that is serious about compettion will register with a league.

This can be argued all day. You know what else extends the life of a game? The ability to create 16 different characters, each with their own customization and abilities. Oh, and bot matches help a lot too.


You're right - a lot of people do. I don't. Remember, I was playing competition level matches on PC as the team's primary Medic. And this was in games that didn't even have XP.

Trophies for ps3 owners ahievements for 360 owners whatever you want to say know need to be a smart a**and it had online trophies you had to play some the spec ops missions with more than one player. Also they had tons of emblems, tittles ect you unlocked online what you couldnt get through campaign so that comparison wasnt relevant on your behalf.


Thats your opinion some people may not may not have alot of time to organize things online liek that they have a few hours after work each day and they can be as serious as any other clan they just needs things more conveniant ex clan support in game

Tomato To'ma'to

Well even so, just because your not playing with the team, your still aiding other people.

I was asking just to clarify that when you said "trophies" you were referring to achievements, and not just using the word "trophies" as some generalized term for any sort of unlockables or extra content.

that's not MP, that's co-op, which is irrelevant for your original idea of "Clan only" content, which is multiplayer, NOT co-op.


MW2 also has a separate MP and SP mode - something Brink does not have, so that comparison wasn't relevant on your behalf.

The best comparison for the wall breaking brink is trying for would be the campaign of Lost Planet 2, you can be online or offline and the game plays the same. Lost planet does have a MP separate to the campaign, but that is irrelevant.

But regardless how many people play with you, it's still humans vs AI in the campaign, and human vs human in MP. Brink can be single player, co-op or multiplayer for everything, no matter how you play.

I know, but it's the best comparison I got. Unless you have a better one.

Yes both were relevant because first co-op online is online which you said MW2 did not have trophies for which it does. And on the third note Brink is seperate to you choose wether or not you are playing sp or mp and co-op. So they could have special unlocks you could only get from killing real players online.

So they are making a game aimed at being as accessible as possible, to as many people as possible, by doing things like having solo, co-op, and MP available all the time, drop-in and drop-out support, having persistent characters that carry over no matter how you play, and doing away with separate SP and MP modes. They even stated that they know there are going to be people who never play online, and that they will be able to do everything you can do in multiplayer, and somehow, you think that they would just add in some multiplayer only unlocks.....

Based on what know, the chances of that happening are slim to none.

My point was you said that my statement was not relevant because MW2 SP and MP modes were seperate and so are Brinks. You choose either to play online or offline alone and one the original discussions what started this babble was that most FPS's have online trophies/ achievements or content you can get only if you play online. It may not be any ablilities or anything unfair but maybe some clothing or something you dont know and either do I. I was just suggesting it may be possible.

Brinks SP and MP flow into each other. They aren't seperate enough that you can call them seperate in the same way as MW2.

The whole drop in support means that you can change from SP to MP in the middle of a map. Therefore they aren't seperate in my book.

No they aren't - you are misinformed.

You choose to play "Campaign" or "Freeplay" and then public or private. Public, anyone can join, Private only friends. YOu do not choose "SP" "MP" or "co-op" - There are not separate modes like MW2 - there is just the game. It appears that you are arguing semantics and nothing else.


Abilities are obtained through leveling up, and customizations lie clothing and weapon mods, are obtained by completing challenges - challenges that are accessible to everyone. Brink is trying to merge SP MP. Putting in "MP only" anything, is one of the most counter-productive things they could do.

Directed to you last statement this is true but that doesnt mean they might not have trophies or whatever for MP you never know. And I am not misinformed I have read everything about the game just like you. Do you not choose to play alone or choose to go into MP? Then it is by definition separate. It may be seamless going in and out of but they are two separate things.

The only way you can truely choose to play alone is to either remove your internet cable or set up a private game without haveing any friends.
(man that statement seems so sad)

Like I said, arguing semantics...they are not 2 separate things - There isn't even an option for SP or MP on the menu. In MW2, you can play Campaign, MP, or spec ops, and each one is it's own experience AND it's own executable. You may play the Campaign and be awesome, and then go online and get owned because it is totally different.
Brink is just Brink - everything is contained in the same thing and every mode is the same type of gameplay. It isn't like you play the campaign, and then you go online and it's totally new and you have to relearn how to play - it's all the same.


I seriously doubt you have read everything I have.

I again bring this up, just imagine the enemy can be played by other people and it's essentially the same thing. Granted it's not a clear cut example, but it's the best I got to present.

Haven't read the entire thread, however in response to the OP -

*An ingame chat system, that also allows players to see which servers their friends or teammates are playing on.
*An invite system to a particular server.
*Not necessary, but it would be cool if teams could design their own logos or tatoos etc
*A system that automatically lists all the captains of each team within a geographical region, so that players can request scrims or practice matches against teams without the need to actually find who they are.
*A win/loss record and history of every match that has been played, so it allows Captains to be able to decide what level they want to practice against.

The last 2 points would be useful more to 'casual clanners' who either dont want to play in a league, or dont have the time - but still allows them to have a proper match where both teams are using voip.

PC version is using Steam, and will probably utilize their chat system

Again, probably through Steam.

Yeh its probably through steam, but I would prefer it not to be.

I know a lot of people don't like Steam, but if they utilize the functions of Steam , like voice chat, friends list, in-game messaging, etc. it is less time SD has to spend coding it into the game.

H0RSE is the resident Brink expert. I don't think anyone can really argue that point. I see the point that both of you are making. Trying to compare Brink to other games is useful in certain aspects but what you guys are arguing about is a bit silly.

Will there be some online only acheivements, maybe. Brink is designed to teach a player to play online multiplayer through a campaign. The devs have made this point clear. Its geared towards making people play online where it should be more fun and dynamic. The modes are really campaign and freeplay. These can all be played single player, coop, and multiplayer that is the beauty of Brink.

So wait, your telling me that you can like dialog box chat with steam on Brink for the pc?