I am not asking for this (although it would be good), i'm just curios.

Why don't Bethesda, if they had time, re-create all their previous before Fallout 3 games on Xbox 360/PS3 and have it in first person?

I'm a big Fallout fan... but i'm not a fan of how you play the old games and I really want to so this would help.

impossible given diffrent design styles and resources it would need, the classics are designed with a completly diffrent system both in terms of world design, quest design, gameplay (stats make it big) FPS style just woudlent work for it given only cities are really vistable with 2-3 dungeons which are main quest locations.

If Bethesda was to do this it would mean cutting alot of things from the old games and likely quailty in writing plus a fair conflicts in established lore.......that and will make all the old fallout fans feral

Hmmm. Maybe they could just create 'mini' games, a bit like NV, that would let you explore them places from previous games. I really hate hearing about all these places and not knowing anything about them.

Just to add to the 'against' arguement.

Bethesda didn't make any of the pre-Fallout 3 games. That was Interplay/Black Isle. And Bethesda have said before they don't want to redo anyone elses work. (One of the reasons they gave for not finishing Black Isles unfinished Fallout 3 was that it wasn't their work to finish)

interesting idea but theres to many and quite large with some being the size of new vegas(the city) or bigger not to mention having to fill around 30-80 years worth of history for the cities given the time diffrences between games

Shady Sands (NCR capital)
Junk Town
The Hub
Boneyard
Necropolis
San Fransico
New Reno
Vault City
Redding
The Den(think that was the name)
Broken Hills
and fair few more


just give FO1 and 2 a try once get in to the game mechanics they are quite fun(it took me a good while to get adjusted to them) with some advantages over the newer games like for example low intellgience chracters change the pacing and the dialogue completly.

that would be interesting ,but it wont happen. i hate the game style of classics as well, however, its not that bad you should give a try... i mean no, just play it, or use you imagination how it would look like.

I'll give it a try I guess. This still would have been fun.

Big Fallout fan, but not a fan of the older games' gameplay... That... Makes sense... Not really, if you're a big Fallout fan you should love the older games' gameplay, not just the newer ones.
Example, I am a fan of Skyrim, sort of, and Oblivion, but I loathe Morrowind and I don't even want to try the games before that.
Doesn't mean I'm an Elder Scrolls fan, means I'm an Oblivion and Skyrim fan.

Just a minor nitpick on my part, if you say you are a Fallout fan then you should love the entire franchise, especially the older games.

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Not to mention that th older games have locations dozens of miles if not more apart if not greater. If you were to cram them into a location the size of Fallout 3 and New vegas, it would be very stupid. As an example you could go from Klamith Oregon to San Francisco just by walking down a street.

The Highwayman in Fallout 2 wouldn't work. Not to mention that alot of content in Fallout and Fallout 2 would be removed because Bethesda, will not or can not have such content in their games. Put it this way, New Reno would be cut from the game. Would lose the ability to kill the kids, and much of the drug use and the signs of the damage it does would be removed.

The Character creation sytem, such as the Skills, Traits, Skill point system and perks will just be hacked to hell.

I am also sure that the writing, dialogue and the canon of those games would be re writen, and given that Bethesda has crappy writers it would just be a mess.

Leave the original Fallouts alone. If you are a true fan of those games you would leave them alone, IMO.

na its so much better they work on new areas and game plots, the old games are as god as they can be ...

My understanding is that the distribution rights for FO1 and FO2 will be transferred to Bethesda in December 2013.

So until that time, Interplay still has these rights.

When you talk about updating these older titles to an HD Enhanced Edition, for tablet, PC or console, etc., the question becomes a bit more complex, but I'm guessing they would still need to wait until 2013.

If the Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment enhanced editions are successful, I imagine that bodes well for the possibilities.

i had an idea myself like this:
maybe, if bethesda can get there heads out there asses, they can see that the classics are amazing and need to be completely redone for a new generation. if the storyline and original script can be taken out and put into a whole new game, then it would definetly be worth buying. just recreate the original fallouts on the new game engine and go from there. this isnt impossible, in fact, its quite simple.

To alot of fallout fans it would be like chopping up a unicorn and puting it's organs into a sheep just to have a "super sheep" if you get what I mean.
Then theres lore and what not .

Why though? Why recreate games that are perfectly fine the way they are now? Even if Bethesda did everything right (they wouldn't) it would just be a waste of time to recreate two games that are already there. That's like saying "since Fallout 3 and New Vegas were on the old engine, Bethesda should recreate them on the new Creation engine."

Sigged and replaced Pistolero's comment.

Fallout wikia. Thats where you can learn about the lore.

Or he could spend about $20 and buy the games and play them

I'm very glad that I made the choice to not come to the Series or Universe Discussion pages until I had played the originals.

Or $9 on sale, but that probably won't happen again until next Christmas.

I think the best solution is to play the original games. you can find them for a few dollars (or euros) on steam. most of the arguments against a remake are evidence. it's clear i'm missing a lot of features from the first 2 (more mature, bigger maps more humour...), but Bethesda cannot make it happen. they have not the time to waste on old when they can do new, maps are now very short (too short) because we actually really move on them.

I'm a but nostalgic but I'm waiting to cure myself for a brand new fallout. fallout 3 was a test they will improve it and take into account what was good in New Vegas

It wont happen, simple as that, I can see Bethesda releasing Fallout 1 and 2 for free since they did the same thing for Arena and Daggerfall, but a remake wont happen.

And if I remember correctly I read that John Carmack wanted to work on a Fallout ios game.

Actually, they're on sale right now! Fallout, Fallout 2, and Fallout: Tactics are only $3 a piece on http://www.gog.com/en/news/weekend_promo_interplay_blast for anyone who is interested. I know it's off topic, but I just thought I'd throw that out there for anyone who is interested in playing the older games as they are, without a Bethesda remake.

If they have access to the early sources and assets, I think it would be great to modernize it a little; higher resolutions, better textures, redone models, new models, fluid control and combat, and maybe combine tiles into cells and make a smooth transition between those areas. Then make some modding tools, a Retro Geck. That's a lot of work though, and I would like to think they're focused on newer things, like Fallout 4, and of course Skyrim DLC/Patches

Well, once Betehsda gets the full license over the previous games I really wouldn't mind it if they updated them, not remade them, not modernized them to 3D gameplay or any crap like that, not streamlined them.
I just want them to [censored] work 'without' having to scramble around for fan-made patches and mods.
And I STILL can't get Fallout 2 to work on Windows 7 x86.

So I would really like it if they updated them to [censored] work on new PC's.
Cause as sad as it sounds, Fallout 2 doesn't work on my new gaming laptop that can handle RAGE with no framerate problems at all.

Try the GoG version; it works on my laptop, which also runs Windows 7 x86.