And the Enclave defector A. Ron Meyers had never been to the Oil Rig. So the Enclave may have established colonies dotted across the U.S to maintain a sufficent population.

...you guys are thinking way too hard about this. Sure their numbers did not make total sense, but it is a game. Would you rather they had like 30 guys in the entire wasteland?

The bos had a number large numbet of women combatants, but the Enclave only like 3. "Bad Bethesda writing" again, or super smart Bethesda writing? We ll never know until that day.

Its implied he hasn't been there.
{I see. What else is going on out there on the rig?}
is replied by the beats me line.
{Beats me. I was a Navarro tech, not a rig operator.We talked to them over the comm lines, and that was about the extent of it.}

He says we talked to them. The way he says it sounds like someone who was talking to another base and not where he was born. If they were all from the Oil Rig wouldn't he have refered to it more like a home?

Additionally there is this line.
Oh, and a FOB is some sort of Enclave technology that let's you enter a door electronically. You'd probably find one of them at one of their bases or some such place

THAT implies there is more then just Navarro and the Oil Rig.

What about the refueling base in the Mojave? the Vertibirds weren't even finished until after the Great War? why would it exist? I think its plausable they had a series of outposts linking the east and west coast. The outpost could also be sealed to simply wait out the virus.

Hardly, were't just thinking too hard about it; again, Raven Rock is huge, the Enclave lived their self-sufficiently for 35 years. Super-smart?

"Fawkes, put it the code."

"It's your destiny..."

If they can write themselves into a corner like that then don't give them credit for your thinking; however much I may disagree with it it's more than they put in.

What about the refueling base in the Mojave? the Vertibirds weren't even finished until after the Great War? why would it exist? I think its plausable they had a series of outposts linking the east and west coast. The outpost could also be sealed to simply wait out the virus.

lol They fixed that line with Broken Steel he ll do it, I watched it on u tube the other day.

Never underestimate the power of Bethesda writers. I just now learned that if you gave the code to Autum he just kills you. That is C&C

The Oil Rig was destoryed in 2242, you fight the Enclave in FO3 in 2277. That's 35 years. It wouldn't be difficult to double your population in that time. Additionally it was implied even in Fallout 2 the Enclave may have had other basis across the wasteland. How else could the Chosen One infiltrate Navarro as a new enclave recruit? And the Enclave defector A. Ron Meyers had never been to the Oil Rig. So the Enclave may have established colonies dotted across the U.S to maintain a sufficent population.

We could also assume that releasing the virus onto the Oil Rig is non-cannon and perhaps most of the citizens managed to evacuate.


And you base this completely on your own hatred for fallout 3 and not on anything that was actually in the game material. Vault 13 was intended to stay closed for two hundred years to test long term isolation. Its not out of the question to have a vault designed to test how long could it possibly surrive before failing. Two important facts, The creators of fallout intentionally left most of the vaults undesigned for future games and even fanfiction. So to say "all the vaults" is just plain ignorant.

And secondly Vault 3 (in NV) was sealed for a couple hundred years until a water leak forced them to open up for trade.(which led to there destruction at the hands of the fiends.) How do you explain the original creators of the series adding this vault which remained sealed longer then any vault so far? Keep in mind that the original creators of the fallout series MADE New Vegas.


No they talk about Vault 13 as a myth because the cannonized hero The Vault Dweller came from there.




Vault 13 had a population of one thousand residents, yet you don't see the space for that many in FO1 do you? You need to learn about a little thing in RPG games about representative population and representive area. You only need to see enough for the PC to interact with.

That first bit about Ron E. Meyers is very interesting as well...

Cheers,
Mk II

No it isn't I covered that later on.

I saw that, but he replied to it. And he is bringing up good points...

Yeah and so did I. Navarro was needed as a refuelling station for all mainland operations from the ENCLAVE and was built fairly recently going by the dialouge of the people who worked there; hell that's why you get in, because it is understaffed whilst it is still being set-up.

That does not limit any other bases... It merely means that Navarro was new. That also strengthens his case seeing as Ron has not been to the Oil Rig. And seeing as Navarro was new, like you say, he would have been born at a 3rd place that we do not know of.

Yeah but they still wrote it originally.



That's one yeah, you tell him he kills you; not really complex enough to save the slap in the face which was the FEV option in general though is it?

A Ron had been to the Oil Rig, I covered that; saying he was not born on the Oil Rig is just silly in my opinoin, the only quote relevant to the number of Enclave locations is that of Richardson's and he says that only the Enclave and Navarro is getting innoculated; why would they build somewhere close enough to be in range of Navarro as a long-term location but out of range of the Enclave?

Really? Maybe Richardson does not want people knowing of any other bases.

As far as range in concerned, if it was built pre-war, they could simply communicate from a distance. They don't need to physically contact each other to work together.

I don't think that that is how the US Army - or if insist on being difficult - any army claiming to be the US Army works.


Or there's just more of the facility we haven't seen as, again, the only places we saw had a total of 8 beds.

Nah while they are making the babies they also have to know the art of war and survival. The Enclave women know so much, and are respected so much by the Enclave infantry that they are full blown offices if their baby making parts break and they are not too old.

The U.S. Army has like 900,000 or 1.2 million standing army. The Enclave does not. Things don t wotk like that any more in 2278.

If you know a [censored] load and are highly repected you just get moved right up to officer if your baby making parts break and you are a women.

See the Enclave does not want these women to feel exploited. That is another reason they would move them up. Enclave are evil, but they are not savages like cl.

So they buy women off with commisions? Just saying it's not a way to create an effective army.

Well the women may help the little tykes learn to field strip and properly use plasma rifles as they are raising them. They would basically be telling a soilder what to do from birth, probably several of them. They basicly have been commanding Encalve troops.

So they are really close to already qualified to tell these men what to do if their baby making parts break down.

Orders would come from higher up to the field officer. The officer in turn tells the men the mission.

These women have to feel like they are more than just baby machines, that is why Enclave would teach the women to start training them at an early age. They would know way more than just six in my what if story. Their moral must be kept high. Giving them more responsibility would make them feel more important and have them very near capable of being an officer.