Well Veronica raised that point didn't she? That homosixuality - whilst not outlawed - was frowned upon in the Brotherhood because of the need for procreation.

If you look at the wiki it talks about that: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault_101#Background

I am not going to ever support this theory. Enclave treated Vault Dwellers as lab rats and would not foresee the need to have a vault set aside incase somehow the Rig gets destroyed. People would not stay in the Vault for that long. Not even the Vaults meant to stay closed for very long times such as Vault 13 and Vault 101 did not stay closed, they were opened by the dwellers.

There are 122 Vaults and here and 17 were control Vaults. So that means 105 Vaults. We know about what 20 of them? SO I say the odds are that of the remaning Vaults that the ones we don't know about, that one would be set aside for such an foreseeable event as the Enclave failing/being destroyed.

Maybe I can't rule it out completely but it is simple logic and it wouldbe very far fetched to see that as the case that a vault was set aside for something foreseeable. That those in that Vault never opened it at anytime in the 100 plus years.

I would sooner support Cloning as the reason.

Most Likely reason is the Enclave became polygamists. Ten women for every man and women having kids as soon as they can till the point they no longer can. Combined with Fallout 3 being a FPS more then RPG and first person shooters need things to shoot which means alot of spawns.

Also I don't hate Fallout 3, I just don't think it is a great Fallout Game.

You know he does give a good example about Vault 3 and if I may add Vault 21 was perfectly happy staying closed until House came along.

Do we know they were never opened at any point in the 200 years? They could have been opened long ago and people did not know about it. Vault 101 opened and they were able to keep alot of people from knowing about it.

Fair enough.

However, Styles, if they merely opened up occasionaly or only to send out scouting missions or the like (for food and such) they would still be prime normals and thus viable Enclave citizens. Which is what this debate is about.

I'm not going to lie, while my position on the Vault theory remains unchanged, the fact that there were two vaults in New Vegas which were apparently closed for some time (and one in Fallout 3), gives credence to its validity.

Again we don't know for sure that those Vaults stayed closed. If Vault 3 was a control Vault it would have opened as advertised in the first decade or so. Maybe the people saw what the world was and said "to hell with this" and stayed in the Vault. They did let the Fiends in and chances are they had let people in or deal with people long before that. Vault 21, again how do we know for sure they never opened? They could have, after all they are gamblers so they just stayed close to their vice. They saw what the world was and stayed close to their Vault as well. We don't know for sure they never let people into their vault and breed with them.

Vault 101 let people in and Vault 13 opened it's doors and people got out.

However by this same token, we also don't know for sure that they didn't.

In other words, we cannot just shut down the Vault theory, since we simply cannot be sure, there is some plausibility, and I believe there is enough evidence for it to be at least considered.

You are right that it can't simply be shut down. Still those that see it as proof of unopned vaults also have to see that it really isn't proof at all.

There really is no solid proof to support the theory. Just speculation.

So it really comes down to logic. Would the Enclave really have set aside a Vault for such an unforeseeable event as the Rig being blown up? Would they be able to keep those people in a Vault happy and healthy for well over a hundred years with out them opening the Vault and risk contamination? From what we do know people wanted out of Vault 13 and Vault 101 and both Vaults opened at some point to deal with outside world. It is human nature to want to be outside and see the sky.

Now here is another thing that I think is proof against the Vault theory. If the Enclave opened a Vault or more to get new people. Why didn't they open Vault 101? They were in DC for 35 years and they never touched it. Why would they still care about the experiment after they lost the Rig? Chances are they lost the ability to monitor the Vault long ago, at the Very least when the Rig blew up. A Vault of a 1000 or so people, prime normals right there and they don't open it? Why not, they have already opened another (according to the theory) and there would no longer be a reason to keep Vault 101 closed. I think by the time following the Rig blowing up the Enclave would have just stopped giving a rats ass about a the Vault experiments.

Well I'm not going to argue with you since I agree with you on those points. I'll leave that to the proponents of the theory.

Well they can moniter the Vault from the ENCLAVE - confirmed - and as for Vault 101 there is a log on the Overseers computer that the Enclave sent them official Federal codes and that they offered amnesty for data but the Overseer declined. There is a random encounter where they shoot Amata after she gives them the location of the Vault; I'd have figured that would be evivdence for your view Styles.

LT, There is always enough evidence for Enclave to be considered.


I know this, If was running one of those vaults and everyone didn t die because of some horrible test, I would be very hesitant to let people in if there was still a bunch of radiation out there.

When the fallout was over It would still be very hard to convince me to let people in. So say I let 3 people in because I belived they would help the vault in someway, that would not mean the whole vault is now non pure human.

Only if they did something stupid like eat a bunch of food filled with radiation would they not be pure human. They had pip boys why would they eat food with radiation unless that is all there was.

Even if the few people I let in had kids only a small portion of the overall population would be non pure human.


Just because someone is beating on the door does not mean I would let them in. I could care less about helping them. I d only let in people that could help the vault, and there would not be many.

Evidence that the Enclave did have contact Vault 101 from the Enclave. Still does not explain why the Enclave left it alone. After the Rig blew it would mean they lost contact. Is that Enclave data log dated? If it is and the date is after the Rig Blew then that would mean they have a way at Raven Rock. Still, again it doesn't explain why the Enclave left them alone. Why would they still give a crap about testing long term isolation after 200 years and near extinction of the Enclave?

If they were desperate enought to crack open an untouched unopened Vault of prime normals to rebuild the stock, why not again for Vault 101? It does not make sense. The human race as they see it is damn near extinct and yet they don't stop a stupid experiment going on 200 years to boost their stock? They did it once they would do it again right? It is only logical. One Vault of prime normals is good but another (101) is twice as good is it not?

I doubt this theory vault would be a control Vault. It would have opened like Vault 8, like the Vaults were originally meant for before the Enclave took control of them. Vault 13 was a special exception if it really was a control vault. So if it was an experiment then that would mean the Enclave stopped it. So why not stop Vault 101's?

Anyways, is an experiment to study prolonged isolation really so damn important? More so then the survival of the human race as the Enclave sees it?

Styles they did tell 101 to open it is in the overseeres PC when you go back. They knew the code name for the all clear, but the overseerer was skeptical about opening for a group calling its self the Enclave.

You can even talk to him about it, and you can use it as a reason they should stay in the vault.

Enclave wanted 101

They tried. They gave the all clear code, but the overseer was skeptical, and didn't believe they were the actual United States Government (plus he was absolutely paranoid about the outside). The terminal also mentions that they attempted to input a password but the password they had in their "ancient records" did not match the one being used (presumbably because Amata changed it). In other words, they wanted Vault 101's population.

So if he didn't open it for the Enclave why would others open their Vault for people calling themselves the Enclave?

Also that is just bad writing. Enclave were able to open Vault 13 by sending a code. They should have been able to open Vault 101. They have the power to open any Vault door. Remotely without the people inside agree or not.

It would be a pretty big flaw in he Enclave's plans if the people could just not open the door for them :rolleyes:

Actually they called themselves "the United States" as well. The overseer in Vault 101 was also completely bonkers and paranoid.



Not necessarily bad writing. Presumably they had the password for Vault 13, they didn't have the password for Vault 101 (or rather the one they had on file didn't work, since like I said, Amata changed it).

They had the password presumably for Vault 13 so they should have for the rest.

As I posted in my last post just after you quoted me lol. It would be a pretty big flaw in the Enclave's plan if the people in the Vaults could simply not open the door for them.

The Enclave would have the power to open any door on any Vault they damn well want. A backdoor password override code.

Colonel: "Men, the only hope for the Enclave's future is in that Vault. The dwellers have pure blood in their vains."

Soldier: "Sir, we have a problem."

Colonel: "what is it?"

Soldier: "They won't open the door and we have tried the all clear code, even asked them nice."

Colonel: "Well I guess we are royally screwed now."

I ahve to agree here (hell the machines in Fallout 3 don't even have password interfaces); the Enclave can moniter the Vaults from the ENCLAVE but didn't create any over-ride codes?

Hmm very true. They should in any case. Perhaps that information was lost with the Rig and all they had at Raven Rock were Pentagon records of vault passwords?

I wouldn t open for no Enclave either. I can see Autum trying to talk him into opening.

I think the reason Enclave couldn t force open was because the password was changed....... more than once I believe. Don t quote me on that one. It been a long time since I played fo3.

I do know the code was changed after you and your dad left, that is why Amata has to give you the new code for you to get back in.

The Overseer is following their orders. Every overseer has since the start. Willingly or not. America and the old world is apart of their way of life. So when America comes knocking and says it is finally safe to come out an play the Overseer says no?

If that overseer said no, why would another overseer in a Vault that would probably be alot like Vault 101 say yes? There would have to be some system to keep the people from ever openening the doors.

The Enclave would have had some backdoor passcode that no one in Vault 101 or any Vault could mess with. If the Enclave can monitor the vaults they can send a signal to open the damn doors! They would have had a failsafe "open sesame" code, for every vault. It's only logical and Vault 13 was opened by the Enclave. Overseer of Vault 13 was just as against letting people in or out as much as the one in 101.

I doubt that. Raven Rock and Navarro would have all that info. They built the means to contact the Vaults in Raven Rock and aparently Eden had contact with the Rig and yet they did not have a way to back up all the info gathered during the 164 years on the Rig? Why have a fall back to a fall back if you arn't going to take all your information with you?

I d be paranoid too , because everything told that guy that vault was never supposed to open. If all of a sudden its the United States calling you know you are in trouble.

He knew what was out there he knew there was no United States from James, and the scouts they sent out. That is the capitol, and if there is no United States in DC then there is no United States.