Is it possible for a daedric prince to impregnate a mortal?

Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:12 pm

Is it possible for a Daedric Prince to impregnate a mortal and if it is would the child be a daedric prince or just a mortal?
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Hairul Hafis
 
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Post » Sat Aug 28, 2010 4:40 am

Yes as long as he wishes it to happen. And it doesn't necessarily imply six. Daedric princes packs quite a lot of punch.

The end result will probably depends on the daedric prince's wishes, ranging from mere mortal to powerful daedra. Full blown daedra prince is in my opinion not possible.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:01 pm

Currently, it is unknown. No one has been impregnated by a prince, or lesser daedra for that matter, with the exception of Vivec. Vivec is the only one, that I know of, to have been impregnated by a prince (Molag Bal), but even then the offspring were likely metaphorical, as they were concepts or something and not actually daedra or mortal.

Going to need a little clarification from the Lore-Khans :P
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:11 pm

It is said Molag Bar fathered the vampires by [censored] a human woman.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:51 pm

Last time I checked, lesser Daedra do not reproduce. As for Daedra princes, there have never been any confirmable reports of it.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:39 pm

I'm inclined to say "no" based on biological reasons, mainly prezygotic barriers.

Producing life is generally regarded as a creative process. While Daedra embody change, I don't think they would willingly divide their power in order to put it into a lesser being. Birth (at least, through sixual reproduction) and death (and brain-washing of the soul in the Dreamsleeve) seems to be more of a mortal thing.

As for Molag Bal screwing the woman, I don't see why he wouldn't copulate in order to humilate and dominate her. He probably cursed her, which is why she became the first vampire after she died. A similar sort of curse is lycanthropy, originating from Hircine. Perhaps a daedra might create a magical curse to change arkay's laws. :shrug:
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Post » Sat Aug 28, 2010 4:35 am

It is said Molag Bar fathered the vampires by [censored] a human woman.

She didn't give birth to a vampire, if that is what you are hinting at. Yes, he [censored] her, but that was defilement to change her into an abomination of Arkay, not create a child.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:57 pm

She didn't give birth to a vampire, if that is what you are hinting at. Yes, he [censored] her, but that was defilement to change her into an abomination of Arkay, not create a child.

I disagree. A vampire baby came out of her [censored] IMO.

I'm inclined to say "no" based on biological reasons, mainly prezygotic barriers.

Producing life is generally regarded as a creative process. While Daedra embody change, I don't think they would willingly divide their power in order to put it into a lesser being. Birth (at least, through sixual reproduction) and death (and brain-washing of the soul in the Dreamsleeve) seems to be more of a mortal thing.

As for Molag Bal screwing the woman, I don't see why he wouldn't copulate in order to humilate and dominate her. He probably cursed her, which is why she became the first vampire after she died. A similar sort of curse is lycanthropy, originating from Hircine. Perhaps a daedra might create a magical curse to change arkay's laws. :shrug:


Producing life in the sphere of Aedra, correct. However REproducing life isn't necessarily so. You are changing some dirt into skin and some recycled soul into a new one. Lycanthropes aren't a race, like vamps, but people suffering from a very .. strong .. disease.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:24 pm

I disagree. A vampire baby came out of her [censored] IMO.

Yeah, but the book about this tale doesn't say she gave birth to anything. Molag Bal violated her, and she ended up dying, and then undead. http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/lairvileopusculuslamae.shtml. As far as "begat" is used in the last paragraph, it's probably more of a metaphor - she was the first vampire, and thus those she infected are, in a way, her "children." But, not through pregnancy and all that stuff.

EDIT: It appears that Daedric Princes can create curses with their blood:
Shedding a lone droplet of blood on her brow, Bal left Nirn, having sown his wrath.
. So, it's like a Daedric Arifact, in a way...
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Post » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:34 am

Yeah, but the book about this tale doesn't say she gave birth to anything. Molag Bal violated her, and she ended up dying, and then undead. http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/lairvileopusculuslamae.shtml. As far as "begat" is used in the last paragraph, it's probably more of a metaphor - she was the first vampire, and thus those she infected are, in a way, her "children." But, not through pregnancy and all that stuff.

EDIT: It appears that Daedric Princes can create curses with their blood: . So, it's like a Daedric Arifact, in a way...


The "begat" does not need to be read as "begat... of Molag Bal's seed," because Lamae had "[censored] their men as cruelly as Bal had ravished her." I read it that Lamae "begat a brood of countless abominations" by those men, in the usual way (or whatever way would be usual for a flaming undead victim of Molag Bal's curse).
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Post » Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:07 am

you were right. :'(
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:41 pm

A Daedroth reproducing through a mortal is a mortal's fantasy. Stories parents tell their adolescents, so they don't screw around before they're supposed to.
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Post » Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:15 am

It is said Molag Bar fathered the vampires by [censored] a human woman.

...then some disagreement to above...
A vampire baby came out of her [censored] IMO.

You really can't discuss the lore properly on these forums :/
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:48 pm

The refusal to reproduce is exactly what defines the daedra as opposed to the aedra. That's not to say they couldn't impregnate a mortal, but the result would be some kind of golem or an avatar of the daedra. They can't be the parent of something with its own will (or else they would become aedra by the act.)
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Post » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:18 am

At Mount Assarnibibi, Molag Bal supposedly oversaw the 99 lovers of Boethiah that gave birth to Almalexia. And then there's the supposed affair Molag Bal and Vivec had, supposedly creating monsters.

But either way, Molag Bal's follower in Bal Ur said Molag Bal didn't create vampires and the Tribunal were mortals who used Kagrenac's Tools to become what they are.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:45 pm

How did Umaril become half-daedric?
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Post » Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:06 am

How did Umaril become half-daedric?

Supposedly he bound himself to Meridia. I believe he also born born half-divine.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:22 pm

Umaril's father was supposedly from a previous kalpa, which is more far-out than even daedric parentage. (So exceptional, in fact, that I assume it's a lie.)
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:29 pm

The greek gods could, and that's what made them fun to study. Their drama is relateable to normal human life.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:07 pm

When I said youwere right, it was about the vampire, not the babies.
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Post » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:36 am

Currently, it is unknown. No one has been impregnated by a prince, or lesser daedra for that matter, with the exception of Vivec. Vivec is the only one, that I know of, to have been impregnated by a prince (Molag Bal), but even then the offspring were likely metaphorical, as they were concepts or something and not actually daedra or mortal.

Going to need a little clarification from the Lore-Khans :P

I am confused...How could Vivec have been impregnated...Isn't Vivec a male?
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Post » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:59 am

I am confused...How could Vivec have been impregnated...Isn't Vivec a male?

He is male and female. He has male and female reproductive organs.

When I said youwere right, it was about the vampire, not the babies.

Where is your proof?
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Post » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:10 am

He is male and female. He has male and female reproductive organs.

Ah...So he's a hermaphrodite...On that note: would a guy sleeping with him/girl sleeping with him be considered homosixual, since he has both parts? I am just curious as it sounds a bit confusing...
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Post » Sat Aug 28, 2010 4:47 am

Where is your proof?


Once again, Producing life in the sphere of Aedra, correct. However REproducing life isn't necessarily so. You are changing some dirt into skin and some recycled soul into a new one.

Ah...So he's a hermaphrodite...On that note: would a guy sleeping with him/girl sleeping with him be considered homosixual, since he has both parts? I am just curious as it sounds a bit confusing...


It'd make you BI.
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Post » Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:22 pm

I always assumed that Vivec could simply choose his gender. One minute he would be male, the next female.
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