Sure, definitely. But while they're at it, why not adjust these exploit issues as well? I'm seeing more complaints about smithing and enchanting than about bugs, so I wouldn't think this issue is unimportant.

You know how smiting can be fixed the easiest way possible?

Add lvl requirements to craft armor for example min lvl 30 to craft ebony min lvl 35 to craft daedric and so on, that is the most effective way.

Holy Hyperbole, Batman!?

That's a pile of crap. I'm a packrat who grabs everything he can find. I did not have remotely 200 iron ore from messing around Riverwood.

I explore. Alot. And I've always been a fan of mining (even named my WoW guild after mining.... my main character's been a miner since the original release).

I'm 60 hours in. Using materials I've found in the world, my Smithing just hit 70. At level character level 35. (Probably could have gotten there a couple levels earlier, but I tend to smith in fits and starts... I'll keep dumping the materials I find in a chest in Breezehome, and then I'll use a pile of it every so often).

You do not just "mess around" and suddenly find yourself maxed out in Smithing. And especially not as "regular joe gamer", who doesn't have the whole MMO/Crafting "grind" technique burned into his brain.




The truly "easy" fix to gaining Smithing too fast is NOT TO POWERLEVEL IT.

(A mod that reduced the amount of skill you got off lower-level materials might be an interesting twist. But you'd have to seriously jack up the amount of higher level materials - there isn't nearly enough moonstone/malachite/quicksilver/etc to skill you up to high levels if Iron, Steel, and Leather become effectively useless as your Smithing increases. Yeah, I've gone through hundreds of Iron in getting to 70 Smithing. Had a decent amount of Gold and Silver, too. But everything else (except Dwarven)? Token amounts. A few dozen at best. Having to level out 50-100 on Malachite and Moonstone would be impossible without buying it in bulk from the vendors. Which is what, in theory, people in this thread are trying to limit.)

You chose to power level, good for you.

I installed the game and played for a few hours, never googled anything, started finding ore and buying some ingots, made what I wanted to use there and then - and never even considered making iron daggers!

After a few more hours of gameplay, I went back to craft some newer things using the materials I had built up since the last time. At about this stage I noticed that smithing lvled pretty fast, but it never crossed my mind that it'd be a good idea to repeatedly craft iron daggers to rush my progression (because it obviously wouldn't be a good idea).

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I think my example is a more reasonable account of how most people will play.

To be fair, I can become a master wizard who can smite people into Oblivion simply by practicing default spells somewhere.

Youre all making it too complicated. Its not the daedric weapons/armor itself, its not the ease of leveling smithing or anything else. Its the stupidly high fortify smithing coefficient from enchants and pots. For example before upgrading my daedric swords they had something around 90dmg (i dont remember exactly) after upgrading they have over 250 (i didnt even use the best blacksmiths potion, just some weak 20% i think, same with enchants). I imagine that if you get the best potion and best enchants you can easily go over 300dmg. So the fortify smithing coefficient while doing upgrades is like 200% or something. Just nerf it to the ground (enchants and pots) and make it 20-30% at best. Maybe nerf the basic upgrade too (i have no idea how high is it so i say "maybe") . Problem fixed.

Also the "just dont abuse it" argument is really dumb. For example i didnt know that its considerd op before i staretd playing (hard to know if youre playing since day 1). I picked my usual rpg character: heavy armor, sword using berserker. Crafting materials started stockpiling and it was pretty natural to level proffesions, at 24lvl i had over 80 smithing and enchanting, without any sort of powerleveling. Im pretty sure that many ppl did it too without knowing. And what am i supposed to to now? Use some un-upgraded dwarven swords? Thats just funny.

In my opinion this is what needs to happen:

1) All Enchants and Smithing improvements reduced by 50-90%.
2) Fortify Smithing/Enchanting/etc potions need to be reduced by 50-90%. May not be needed with change #1.

A minority of Skyrim owners griping doesn't make it important. Remember, the people on this forum aren't the majority of the gamers playing it.

For the state of this topic and the violent debate, seems very important to the player as you point.
But not a issue who make the game unplayable or make CTDS happen.

I didn't see they fixing this if they even get time to (i.e. make the ugliest ever foot texture any better than this water-mutant like feet).

Anyway, both ways will work, and still people can play without exploit it.
"Isn't because a wallet was forgotten in the table in your front you have to steal it.".

Dude, when I post on forums, it's serious business. I wouldn't make a post about Joe Gamer without doing extensive research to model and simulate all the interrelated events. Joe would get angry. You don't want to see Joe angry.

Holy Hyperbole, Batman!?

And I completely respect the fact that you had the foresight to attempt to back up your point with evidence, but unfortunately your 'evidence' put you way out of the running for understanding the mindset of an average gamer.

HYPERBOLE MAKES A POINT VERY CLEAR.

The problem with the system is that it's just way too easy to hit high levels of Smithing before you realize that you're killing a ton of game content.

You want to know why there are so many "I'M BORED WITH SKYRIM" threads on the forum? This exact reason.

Some players like myself caught on pretty quick and I set up specific rules to avoid "PLAYING TOO SMART", and I rerolled my character.


A lot of players aren't as smart as me. They're smart enough to take easy advantage when it's offered up to them on a silver platter (or more specifically, by any smith/general vendor in the game), but they don't realize the impacts that it will have on their game -- killing the value of most dungeon loot real damn fast, and accelerating the player level to skip past lower levels of content.

So, they have high end gear and guess what ... they've completed like 15-20% of the game. But the game is "done" for them on the entire gear side of the equation because they've seen it all or have it all. Players that can glue themselves to the story/RP more can still cruise for a bit, but many players start scratching their chin at how boring the game becomes.

I literally installed the game, never googled anything, played for like maybe 3 hours, started buying ore/leather and crafting daggers. Rinse repeat. Never even mined or knew you could mine ore. Realized I could craft almost anything and started laughing.

Restarted, after prologue found Hunting Bow. Stole an Orcish Bow 1 hour later, 30 minutes later found an Elven Bow. Not even trying and I skipped whole tiers of items just by finding stuff...

Youre all making it too complicated. Its not the daedric weapons/armor itself, its not the ease of leveling smithing or anything else. Its the stupidly high fortify smithing coefficient from enchants and pots. For example before upgrading my daedric swords they had something around 90dmg (i dont remember exactly) after upgrading they have over 250 (i didnt even use the best blacksmiths potion, just some weak 20% i think, same with enchants). I imagine that if you get the best potion and best enchants you can easily go over 300dmg. So the fortify smithing coefficient while doing upgrades is like 200% or something. Just nerf it to the ground (enchants and pots) and make it 20-30% at best. Maybe nerf the basic upgrade too (i have no idea how high is it so i say "maybe") . Problem fixed.

Also the "just dont abuse it" argument is really dumb. For example i didnt know that its considerd op before i staretd playing (hard to know if youre playing since day 1). I picked my usual rpg character: heavy armor, sword using berserker. Crafting materials started stockpiling and it was pretty natural to level proffesions, at 24lvl i had over 80 smithing and enchanting, without any sort of powerleveling. Im pretty sure that many ppl did it too without knowing. And what am i supposed to to now? Use some un-upgraded dwarven swords? Thats just funny.

I keep asking, but why do you care what random gamers you don't know do with the game?

It's not THAT easy to level it. Finding that much iron or buying that much iron takes a lot of time and money. And leather strips.

The system isn't broken, your approach is. It's a single player game. Play how you want.

I'm pretty sure you take this Skyrim forum thing far too seriously for your own health, sir.

It just seems silly to me that I can master daedric armor by just making iron daggers.

It certainly shouldn't prioritize over stability and bug issues, but I don't see why they specifically "should not" fix it as you and some others seem to suggest (correct me if I'm wrong).