When I ask Neminda she tells me that I'm not honorable enough or doesn't meet requirements, even though I'm level 13 and have Heavy Armor 54, Long Blade 24 and so on. Anyone know solution?

Did you refuse to help Sason find Malexa? Joining a faction requires that rank requirement is 3, which means that your skills are sufficient and you have enough faction rep. Since all factions require a minimum of zero faction rep to join, if a different quest mods your faction rep down while you're not in the faction, you can't join.

This is what causes delivering the code book to Eydis Fire-Eye from blocking your joining the Thieves Guild. It's unintentional.

Off the top of my head, other situations that can cause this issue include refusing to help solve the moon sugar mystery in Bloodmoon (absolutely deadly, since the Legion doesn't have enough quests to make up the drop if you want to rise to the highest ranks). There are a few instances where you can lose Twin Lamps faction rep, too, but you can't join this faction, so it's a moot point -- faction rep is just a measurement of how many quests you've performed for the guild.

Haven't done that quest yet. But there was find Toris Saren's missing son or something like that, which I had, but he refused my help because I was with Morag Tong and that ended the quest, I also killed him later. Could that cause it, and how to fix that?

"House Redoran only accepts the best and more honorable warriors. Unfortunately, you do not meet our requirements."

If that is the response you are hearing from Neminda it is the official entry that displays when the player does not satisfy the requirements for membership. It is above all of the new entries added by Pax Redoran under the topic 'join House Redoran' so it does not appear to be an issue with the mod.

PrinceShroob's explanation seems the most likely, but you would know if you refused to help Sason. Declining the quest reduces the player's reputation by 5. If you have not performed any quests for House Redoran your reputation is -5 and a minimum value of 0 is required to join.

The other requirements include the favored skills that you appear to meet, and a minimum attribute threshold that must be satisfied. Either (or both) strength and endurance must be at least 30. This is a condition almost impossible to not satisfy. Perhaps your attributes have been reduced by disease or some spell effect. Alternately you could be using a mod like Wakim's Game Improvements or BTB's Game Improvements that alter the requirements to join and advance in factions. For Wakim's mod, a strength or endurance of 35 is required.

In my experience, temporary fortifications don't work to "trick" quest givers into granting you higher ranks, so I don't know if rank requirement looks only at base attributes and skills.

You can check your House Redoran faction rep with

GetPCFacRep "Redoran"

You can modify your faction rep with

ModPCFacRep X "Redoran"

where x is the amount you want to modify it by. If you don't want "free" faction rep, saving Malexa will get you five points of Redoran faction rep.

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It is possible that declining to help Toris Saren decreased your Redoran faction rep, but I haven't used LGNPCs in ages. Bethesda seems to have intended that faction rep increase the disposition of faction members, but it's just a token system, an (often arbitrary) measurement of the player's services performed for the faction. It's only used when you ask for a rank increase.

It's not strictly "wrong" to modify the player's faction reputation down, and it makes some sense (the NPC snitched on you and now your quest giver thinks you're less loyal or whatever), but 1. you should only do so when the player is already in the faction and 2. you have to be careful about which factions you mod rep with (for example, the Legion barely has enough faction rep to get you to the highest rank if you do every quest perfectly; conversely, the Mages Guild has an excess, mostly due to the bad pacing of its quests and the large faction rep rewards for Trebonius' quests).

Checked Redoran faction rep, and it was -15. That Toris Saren's Son quest was the only one I can think I've had. But is that really intended so? Because I didn't refuse to help him, he refused my help because I'm with Morag Tong, so I got the quest and then couldn't complete it, which then made Redoran unjoinable.

I probably have to edit it if there's isn't enough Redoran quests to compensate it. Thanks for the help.

Since you mentioned Toris Saren I checked LGNPC Vivec Redoran for other ways of reducing the player's reputation with House Redoran and there are several. Since Toris Saren declines the player's help there is no penalty to the player's reputation.

Relms Gilvilo (the priest in the Redoran canton) offers two quests. If the player fails his first quest 'An Act of Charity' the player's reputation is reduced by 5. Also while performing 'Ash Statues in Vivec' if the player refuses to help or if the player bullies Ulveni Daram to recover the statue his/her reputation similarly drops. Both of these quests are available to the player if either a member of House Redoran (you are not) or the Temple.

Since you are Morag Tong completing the writ on Guril Retheran now carries a faction reputation penalty of 5 toward House Redoran.

Assisting Balen Andrano (the Redoran trader in Vivec) by placing the Dwemer bone in Jeanne's shop in the Foreign Quarter will also reduce the player's reputation in House Redoran, but only if the player is a member of that House and only if the player is caught.

You may decide to use the console cheat the prince offered to continue in House Redoran. However at some point you will encounter a conflict between serving House Redoran and serving the Morag Tong forcing you to alienate one faction or the other.

Edit: the syntax of PrinceShroob's console command is incorrect. Try:

ModPCFacRep 15 "Redoran"

Edit: Yes, completing the writ on Toris Saren did reduce your reputation with House Redoran by 5. So for a -15 reputation I suppose you have executed two Redoran nobles and failed/refused one of Relms Gilvilo's quest since you say you have not met Sason. Perhaps you are not Redoran material.

I didn't fail the Act of Charity, nor did I bully the Ash statue lady, but I did but the bone in Jeanne chest. I've also executed Toris Saren and Guril Retheran.

Btw, whats the conflict later?

Perhaps there is some other quest you have performed that has damaged your reputation with House Redoran other than the ones I had identified at the time I posted - I had checked only LGNPC Vivec Redoran and official quests. I have since checked Pax Redoran. There are several Redoran quests the player can fail that will damage House reputation, but there is also the combat arena quest in Molag Mar that any player can perform. If the player challenges Tovas Verelnim to free the slaves there is a reputation penalty. I don't think that is appropriate if the player is not of House Redoran and it will not occur in the next update of Pax Redoran. Does that quest sound familiar?

As for conflicts between House Redoran and the Morag Tong, it is possible you have skirted them by having completed the writs before joining House Redoran. As a member of both factions refusing the writ to honor House Redoran will prevent advancement in the tong and completing the writs betray your oath to the house (you would be expelled). Technically you are feeling the effects of that conflict since you are prevented from joining House Redoran as things stand before you alter your reputation through the console. From a role-playing perspective it makes sense that House Redoran refuses to admit you to join their ranks in consideration of the actions you have taken against that house. I'm a little surprised that Neminda does not attack you directly.

You know, it occurred to me that Great House questlines and joining the Morag Tong should probably be mutually exclusive, since the Tong often wants you to kill members of the Houses. Heck, Toris Saren is a Tong target and is involved (to an extent) with finding Nalvilie Saren late in the House Redoran questline.

The Telvanni don't bat an eye at mass murder of faction members, but the other Houses are a bit more discerning.

Modifying the player's faction rep probably isn't a good idea balance-wise because you can "cheat" the loss by making sure you join Redoran early. You could, however, log the loss into a global variable and transfer that loss to the player once they join -- sort of like, "we like the cut of your jib but we aren't going to trust you yet." Since I believe Pax Redoran offers plenty of opportunities to make it up, it's no permanent loss.

Or, you could just have Neminda directly refuse to allow Tong members to join the House, which would clear up any confusion.

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The Morag Tong is not illegal and its existence is, if I recall correctly, guaranteed by the Armstice. It's an accepted part of inter-House conflicts.

"By House Redoran custom, killing is justified in war, self-defense, defense of property, affairs of honor, and House Wars affairs. Other killings are foul murder, and punishable by fines, hard labor, or writ of assassination."

That doesn't mean that a House has to accept an assassin, and given the Tong's strict rules, conflicts of interest are probably grounds for expulsion.

Another issue, I killed Venim to become Redoran Hortator, took some of his stuff, finished main quest. Then after I returned to Sarethi, he says I have to make amends if I'm become Hortator (again), I go to Dilvene with key, dai-katana and ebony armor in my possession, and she says missing are left pauldron, bracers and boots. I give them back and she thinks matter is closed. I give her key of the manor, she thinks matter is closed. Yet no journal update, and Sarethi still want me to make amends. And when I return to Dilvene she still wants the same left bracer, pauldron and boots, and the key. How can I make them stop, other than killing them with pleasure?

open the console and type

show expredoran

if it is more than 0 try

Set ExpRedoran to 0

The Morrowind Patch Project (for some reason) moves Venim's things into a loot chest in the Arena Fighters Training a few days after the duel; LGNPC adds the restriction that the player cannot loot Venim's body; the end result is that the player can be penalized for actions they didn't take, but returning all the items should've been sufficient, so I assume there's an error there.

Maybe cyran0 would know more.

It is difficult to advise you with so little information about your situation. The timeline appears to be:

1) Killed Bolvyn Venim and became Redoran Hortator

2) Killed Dagoth Ur to complete main quest

3) Spoke with Athyn Sarethi.

I do not see how it is possible to become Redoran Hortator without first speaking with Athyn Sarethi, but perhaps a mod or patch is at work here. Without first becoming Redoran Hortator I do not see how can complete the main quest unless you took the back path. Knowing what topics of conversation are used and the specific response you receive would be very useful as well as pertinent journal entries. For example, it is the greeting with Athyn Sarethi that is preventing you from advancing, or his response on the topic 'Redoran Hortator'?

If you can provide me with some specific information I can at the least propose a console solution for your case, although without additional information it may not be possible to identify and remove the bug. Open the console and type:

GetJournalIndex "B5_RedoranHort"

show jo_venimLooted

"Dilvene Venim"->GetHello

"Dilvene Venim"->GetLuck

Report the value each of these commands returns.

Also, it is not clear if you are a member of House Redoran. I recall that you were struggling with that before, but perhaps this is a different playthrough. Regardless, that would be helpful to know and if you are of House Redoran, you will need to provide another journal index:

GetJournalIndex "HR_Archmaster"

It was 0.

GetJournalIndex "B5_RedoranHort" 70

show jo_venimLooted 10

"Dilvene Venim"->GetHello 31

"Dilvene Venim"->GetLuck 50

GetJournalIndex "HR_Archmaster" 0

Yeah, I'm member of House Redoran (House cousin). If I remember it correctly, I slayed Venim and looted him, then went to get Hortator title, and then haven't talked to Sarethi. Then after few days from that, came journal entry that the family have collected the body and there were stuff missing or something like that. And when I eventually talked to Sarethi he demands amends which I can't seem to provide. Also Dilvene is asking only left pauldron, left bracer and boots, when I took whole armor.

I still do not see why Athyn Sarethi named you Redoran Hortator after you defeated Bolvyn Venim and took his gear. Is it possible that you became Redoran Hortator before adding Pax Redoran to your game?

To go forward from here, open the console and type:

set jo_venimLooted to 0

"Dilvene Venim"->SetHello 30

Additionally, this should prevent any problem when you are prepared to become archmaster of House Redoran.

No I've had Pax Redoran from the start. Possibly because that journal entry about family collecting his body was delayed days and I had time to get the title?

Yeah setting jo_venimlooted to 0 before I meet with Sarethi seem to fixed it. But he still greet me as I'm not Hortator just yet.

I cannot see that Athyn Sarethi has any greetings filtered for the journal indices that you have that would have him deny you are the Redoran Hortator. Would you please confirm this is a greeting and not a response on some specific topic? Also it would help if you would quote - not paraphrase - the reply you are receiving from him.

He greets with: "Congratulations on you victory, My Name. You conducted yourself with respect and honor, the Redoran Council has met to consider your petition to become the Redoran Hortator." Although I'm already one. He still seem to give me guest and advancements normally though.

Thank you. The greeting your received is filtered for B5_RedoranHort < 70 (not yet Redoran Hortator). However, you reported that that GetJournalIndex "RedoranHort" returned a value of 70 (you are Hortator). The only thought I have on the matter is that after you finished the main quest and later spoke with Athyn Sarethi, he accused you of taking the former archmaster's possessions and your journal should have been updated. That entry has an index of 10 or 20 depending on the player being Redoran or not, or 30 after returning the gear to Dilvene Venim. While I am pretty sure that it does not work this way it is possible that the dialogue database is being searched, not on the highest index of the journal B5_RedoranHort - 70, but the most recent update to that journal, either 10, 20 or 30. I tested that theory in-game and Athyn Sarethi acknowledged I was Hortator even when I added the lower indexed entry after the fact. I think it is just a glitch.

There is one thing you might try to get rid of this annoyance (and it will be more than just an annoyance as you advance in House Redoran and interact more with Athyn Sarethi - it will be potentially quest-breaking). Try re-adding the journal entry that names you Redoran Hortator. For that, open the console and type:

Journal "B5_RedoranHort" 70

If that doesn't work and you are using at least one of the official expansions, try:

SetJournalIndex "B5_RedoranHort" 70

Let me know if either solution works. If not I will continue to look for other approaches.

Neither did change his greeting. I'm currently building stronghold which he asked (in addition of getting two councilmen to agree) before I can advance.

Very strange. The greeting also depends on jo_venimLooted = 0. Try:

set jo_venimLooted to -1

This should prevent the greeting from displaying, but it will not trigger any repercussions regarding the duel.

That seemed to work.

Now he greeted me with a guest "I've an odd request, Dilvene Venim have asked me to see her...", and when I talk to him again he says, "What can I do to you Hortator?".

Yes, you are back on track. The business with Dilvene Venim that Athyn Sarethi speaks of is a new quest that is (usually) offered on the heels of the duel with her husband. Having passed that message on to you, Athyn Sarethi returns to inconsequential greetings. It is a good sign that you are now able to hear his quest-related greetings.

That's good to know, thanks again.