Is it possible to murder someone with magic? : V

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:39 am

Keep in mind this when you read the questions:
Adept is the difficulty level
No mods, no tricks
No enchanting
Just magic & potions
- Sidenote: And you can check statistic log to see if your kill was a murder or assault.

Question 1:
How does a assassination turn into a assault rather then murder? (Statistic counted)

Question 2:
How do you avoid a assassination becoming an assault with magic, rather then a simple murder?

Question 3:
What spell would you use to murder somebody & would you only use one dual spell, great powerful one.
Or a combination of two different spells and if yes, which?

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:35 am

My first character enjoyed casting fury on people and watching others kill him for me.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:46 am

My first character enjoyed casting fury on people and watching others kill him for me.

I see but that would not count as a murder, you would just get an assault.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:19 am

I performed an action that knowingly lead to someone's death against their will.

I think it qualifies as murder in almost every state I am aware of. I'd have to know what the game uses to distinguish.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:25 pm

I performed an action that knowingly lead to someone's death against their will.

I think it qualifies as murder in almost every state I am aware of.

But as I said in my post, this was a question about murder meaning murder is only a murder.. if it counted as a murder in the statistics page in the game.
Of course I know it is possible to kill people in the game with magic, if that was the question.. it would be a stupid question.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:24 am

I see but that would not count as a murder, you would just get an assault.

if no one sees you cast the spell then its not an assault either. Just another incurable case of the crazies driving the local innkeeper to viciously attack her axe wielding customers.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:50 am

if no one sees you cast the spell then its not an assault either. Just another incurable case of the crazies driving the local innkeeper to viciously attack her axe wielding customers.

Somebody told me once that Illusion perk that make spells in all schools silent for others only work when charing them up.

When unleashing them, everyone would hear it - was that false? Some people also said that if you cast a Rune destruction spell on the floor, they would also all hear you.. even tho you had that perk in Illusion school for silent spells.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:45 am

But as I said in my post, this was a question about murder meaning murder is only a murder.. if it counted as a murder in the statistics page in the game.
Of course I know it is possible to kill people in the game with magic, if that was the question.. it would be a stupid question.

If the question is "what is murder on the stats page" then it's excessively complicated.

Can we get that question answered first, then delve into the rest of it?

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:47 am

If the question is "what is murder on the stats page" then it's excessively complicated.

Can we get that question answered first, then delve into the rest of it?

You are right. The question that need an answer first is.. "what is murder on the statistics page" because I have no clue yet, not 100%.
What kind of a kill count as murder and not as an assault.. I have a feeling if you fight the target for a bit short time, it will result as a an assault..

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:27 am

Murder as a crime stat is when you kill a non-hostile NPC that hasn't struck you first.

You can consider causing a person to kill another person as murder, but because it's now by your own hands, the murder is not attributed to you, but to the one who committed the act of the killing. Much like how in real life, people can cause others to kill someone because of rumors, being set up, and so on.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:49 am

Murder as a crime stat is when you kill a non-hostile NPC that hasn't struck you first.

You can consider causing a person to kill another person as murder, but because it's now by your own hands, the murder is not attributed to you, but to the one who committed the act of the killing. Much like how in real life, people can cause others to kill someone because of rumors, being set up, and so on.

One problem in what you are saying.. because..

in my experience, if you kill a non-hostile NPC that hasn't struck first.. you will get an assault on your statistic page and not murder, honestly..

I've recieved murder if I used a dagger with sneak attack and killing them instantly.. But it seem if I don't kill them in 1 shot, it results as assault? Therefor I wonder so much about this as I'm really into magic and the Dark Brotherhood (not started there yet - please no spoilers) so yeah..

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:11 am

Murder Is striking first and them not striking you back.But it must take more than one hit to kill them in some cases.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:10 am

My first character enjoyed casting fury on people and watching others kill him for me.

This.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:13 am

Murder Is striking first and them not striking you back.But it must take more than one hit to kill them in some cases.

I just need to clarify what you are saying; do you say that.. for one I need to strike somebody first.. then I must kill them before they touch me at all? for it to count as murder or?

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:01 am

I picked destruction and illusion.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:58 pm

One problem in what you are saying.. because..

in my experience, if you kill a non-hostile NPC that hasn't struck first.. you will get an assault on your statistic page and not murder, honestly..

I've recieved murder if I used a dagger with sneak attack and killing them instantly.. But it seem if I don't kill them in 1 shot, it results as assault? Therefor I wonder so much about this as I'm really into magic and the Dark Brotherhood (not started there yet - please no spoilers) so yeah..

Then it's likely a scripting oversight, or something else is at play.

I am just simply telling you what the definition is by the game's standards.

And there is one caveat I forgot to mention: Crimes are typically only added to your bounty if you fail to kill any and all witnesses that could report you, and it's likely an oversight that little Mister Bunny Rabbit over there is counted as a witness when you killed that hunter in the woods.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:10 am

Bound weapons won't do enough damage to 1-shot anything. Destruction will definitely kill stuff faster than a bound weapon.
You can 1-shot somebody if you get the pickpocket perk that allows you to place a poison in somebody's pocket, you can put a weakness to fire/frost/shock in their pocket, then pop a fortify destruction potion and you'll launch them into orbit.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:51 am

If you want to murder , you get a knife and start backstabbing....spells shouldn't be used as insta-death silent weapons.

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:48 pm

Bound weapons won't do enough damage to 1-shot anything. Destruction will definitely kill stuff faster than a bound weapon.
You can 1-shot somebody if you get the pickpocket perk that allows you to place a poison in somebody's pocket, you can put a weakness to fire/frost/shock in their pocket, then pop a fortify destruction potion and you'll launch them into orbit.

But you need to remember that Bound Bow will have damage increased with a perk on Conjuration (Bound weapons do more damage)
+ (plus) Overdraw (5) on Archery that will give 100% more damage with bow if you have all ranks.

Then add bit points on Sneak, you have 3x insted of 2x damage. So I don't know how this first hit versus a Destruction spell does for a murder victim. Which does most first hit damage. No idea. But I am sure Bound Bow can deal some..

» Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:39 am

If you want to murder , you get a knife and start backstabbing....spells shouldn't be used as insta-death silent weapons.

Well that doesn't feel very magical so to speak.. point of being a Mage in the Dark Brotherhood is all about using magic or else I would just play a Dagger wielding somebody else. I'm pure with magic! But only level 2 soonish