Possibly disappointed with "favoriting" : V - Skyrim

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:16 pm

I dunno, I saw the quakecon leak and there paused everytime he switched something, except at the end where shouted "Dovahkiin!", which was just for dramatic effect.I heard them say that on the PC you get to assign hotkeys to numbers 1-8 style, forget where I saw that though.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:34 am

Wait what? WHAT!?

Is this confirmed? They got rid of the hotkeys on consoles? What the hell is this!?

That is a HUGE step back and pretty much a deal breaker for me. It was bad enough in Oblivion that it paused the game every time i applied poisons, but pausing every time i need to switch weapon or cast something...No, no way. Cut me out if this is true.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:27 am

I was just thinking about this the other day. I was wondering just how big the Favorites menu would be.
Will we have to sit there and scroll through 12+ things to find the one we want, for each hand, each time we want to switch tactics mid combat? Will there be an even easier way to shortcut the favorites that doesn't involve pausing the game and interrupting the flow?

In the end I can live with pausing, it never really bothered me in Dragon Age Origins or Mass Effect, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have less of it.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:28 am

I was just thinking about this the other day. I was wondering just how big the Favorites menu would be.
Will we have to sit there and scroll through 12+ things to find the one we want, for each hand, each time we want to switch tactics mid combat? Will there be an even easier way to shortcut the favorites that doesn't involve pausing the game and interrupting the flow?

In the end I can live with pausing, it never really bothered me in Dragon Age Origins or Mass Effect, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have less of it.

I hope you can switch through several pages with the bumper buttons or else it's going to really svck if that list gets too long, which it will, especially if you're a mage.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:21 pm

Wait what? WHAT!?

Is this confirmed? They got rid of the hotkeys on consoles? What the hell is this!?

That is a HUGE step back and pretty much a deal breaker for me. It was bad enough in Oblivion that it paused the game every time i applied poisons, but pausing every time i need to switch weapon or cast something...No, no way. Cut me out if this is true.

Hotkeys are out. Its more of a favorite system now. On the consoles, the directional pads are for inventory, map, journal, and then the list of Favorited items.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:10 pm

Hotkeys are out. Its more of a favorite system now. On the consoles, the directional pads are for inventory, map, journal, and then the list of Favorited items.

:mellow:

They should at least make it an option.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:44 pm

Hotkeys are out. Its more of a favorite system now. On the consoles, the directional pads are for inventory, map, journal, and then the list of Favorited items.

WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY DO THIS?!

What kind of dumb backwards mentality is this? I refuse to believe they would be so dense, that can't be true.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:38 pm

WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY DO THIS?!

What kind of dumb backwards mentality is this? I refuse to believe they would be so dense, that can't be true.

Up on the dpad brings up the favorites menu. Hotkeys are still available, but there's only 2. Left and right on the dpad for left hand/right hand.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:45 pm

How else do you think this would be achieved? What other method would YOU invent to make it more "seemless"?

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:22 am

The pausing is more noticeable when you're not playing the game.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:31 pm

Whats scary is that some people seem to think "oh? you have to pause the game if you want to switch weapons?" then they go on to defend it. :shakehead:

Guys, it cant be real. I'm sure you can assign hot keys to weapons etc. Not even Bethesda would make such a terrible mistake as to make you pause every time you switch from your sword to your bow. :thumbsup:

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:24 pm

I do not see a problem with it to be honest.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:49 am

WHAT 40 MINUTE DEMO FOOTAGE? o.o.o.o!

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:07 pm

There's no system for hotkeys that wouldn't be totally convoluted on the consoles. In Oblivion, everything except shield were equipped to the right hand. Now that each hand is independant, hotkeys would be a mess.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:02 pm

There's no system for hotkeys that wouldn't be totally convoluted on the consoles. In Oblivion, everything except shield were equipped to the right hand. Now that each hand is independant, hotkeys would be a mess.

No, not really. Allow combinations to be tied to a single hotkey. The player just needs to define the combination and then assign it to a directional button/button combination... and have it be an option for those who would like it and have already thought the entire system through and still prefer hotkeys.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:05 pm

No, not really. Allow combinations to be tied to a single hotkey. The player just needs to define the combination and then assign it to a directional button/button combination... and have it be an option for those who would like it and have already thought the entire system through and still prefer hotkeys.

That is what the favorites list is.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:18 pm

That is what the favorites list is.

No, the favorites list is a list that pauses the game... not a real-time hotkey system. I don't need a list... I need a quick switch trigger... or rather about two or three of those and a few potion triggers.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:35 pm

No, not really. Allow combinations to be tied to a single hotkey. The player just needs to define the combination and then assign it to a directional button/button combination... and have it be an option for those who would like it and have already thought the entire system through and still prefer hotkeys.

..you just described Favoriting, aka Skyrim.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:15 am

No, not really. Allow combinations to be tied to a single hotkey. The player just needs to define the combination and then assign it to a directional button/button combination.

True. Left and right are still hotkeys though. In the E3 demo, you can see Todd's character switch out weapons without going into the favorites menu. He was using the hotkeys. It auto swaps out whatever you have hotkeyed to left/right.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:40 am

True. Left and right are still hotkeys though. In the E3 demo, you can see Todd's character switch out weapons without going into the favorites menu. He was using the hotkeys. It auto swaps out whatever you have hotkeyed to left/right.

I noticed that, but I'd prefer 8 hotkey slots to any favorite system... or perhaps 7 hotkey slots and a favorites list.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:02 am

I noticed that, but I'd prefer 8 hotkey slots to any favorite system... or perhaps 7 hotkey slots and a favorites list.

Maybe there will be more. I haven't heard about down on the dpad being tied to anything.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:13 pm

Maybe there will be more. I haven't heard about down on the dpad being tied to anything.

I hope so. I see the advantages of a favorites list... but some things just won't work well on a favorites list, in my opinion. I don't need a favorites list to gulp down a favorite potion and switch between some staple combinations.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:23 am

What 40 minute demo are you guys referring to?

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:57 pm

I hope so. I see the advantages of a favorites list... but some things just won't work well on a favorites list, in my opinion. I don't need a favorites list to gulp down a favorite potion and switch between some staple combinations.

I understand what you mean. But me, personally. I prefer the favorites system. Because it allows for more things to be favorited where as with the hotkeys you could only get 8. Plus, from what we have heard the favorites list is integrated really well and flows smoothly. I have no doubt that it will be easy to get used to and we will be able to fly through that list pausing the game for only a few seconds. Plus, atleast on the 360 the Dpad is very terrible on the diagonal points. Because of that I mainly used 4 hot keys, a sword, bow, my best healing spell and my best destruction spell. The rest were items I didnt use very often. So I am in favor of this new system.

» Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:06 pm

What 40 minute demo are you guys referring to?

quakecon. it's not officially been released, so we can't link you to it, sorry