If I may bring back the http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Hilltop_farm_ruins_terminal_entries again, read the last entry and tell me what word sticks out to you re horses.

Gecko mounts.

"they rode by and weren't like to have noticed him or us." where does it say horses?

I am going with horses can't vomit, therefore they died off :grad:

Nice eye Mr. Enclave....... If not horses than what?????? AND WHY CAN T I RIDE ANYTHING EVER?????? I m sure one could ride a brahmin. Even if they r not as fast as horses they would be better than walking. Then there would be the problem of grand theft brahmin to deal with.

Okay but if the planet was covered in so much radiation then everything would be dead, likely some areas would be untouched jsut like in the asteriod apocalypse 65 million years ago.

SO that point holds weight but not that much.

something like 99% of life did die off. Some areas like the Mojave may not have got as much radiation as other but it still got some. The Radiation did go away by the time of Fallout but for some reason Bethesda brought it back. Horses could come back but only if Bethesda does away with the radation all over the place.

That I cant believe unless you show me a quote, just based on the fact that the population of the NCR is 700 000.

And based on the animals.

I can see it making sense but I still wont accept that. Plus there would still be horses left adn breeding would bring them back.

So cows would be extinct just like horses.

Fallout Intro "In two brief hours most of the planet was reduced to cinders."

Fallout 2 Intro "The Earth was nearly wiped clean of life. A great cleansing, an atomic spark struck by human hands quickly raged out of control."

"Humanity was almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the Earth. A quiet darkness fell across the planet lasting many years."

Fallout 3 intro "The world was plunged into an abyss of nuclear fire and radiation."

Most life was wiped out during the nuclear war. NCR's population was 700,000 people but when you factor, that the USA population was 400 million before the great war and it had been 164 years since the great war by the time of Fallout 2 for the people that survived the great war to multiply; 700,000 is not that much.

Like I already posted. Horses can't Vomit. They get sick from Radiation they would die from not being able to vomit. It is possible for horses to die that way.

Cattle don't tecnically vomit but they can regurgitate the content of their stomachs.

As long as Bethesda keeps going with "Radiation everywhere." Having horses will not make sense. It would svck to have them just show up as if they had always been around.

ALright I guess, but still cows are alive but horses not, it just seems strange.

Technically, they arn't cows as we know them. They are a new species, "brahmin."

It makes sense. Horses can't vomit, they die. Cows can and they live and mutated into Brahmin.

Did the devs of Fallout think of that when they left out horses? :shrug: Still it makes sense and is a simple explanation :grad:

Horses could ahve mutated to vomit.

Now the debate continues. :celebration:

Really though, who doesn't dream of riding a horse and picking off raiders with a revolver shot from the saddle?...

Mutation did not happen right away. Mutations did not start showing up till a couple of years after the great war. Horses would have become sick and died long before they had the chance to mutate the ability to vomit. :read:

I read on the wiki, that new species were created over night.

Who is to say they could not become a new species and be able to vomit. Also if they do not have the ability to vomit can radiation sickness even make them vomit? There thats a better question. :wink_smile:

New Species as in the ones that escaped from military labs like Mole Rats and deathclaws. Ghouls did not start showing up will after a couple of years. So I would guess brahmin did not mutate till around then. Cows gave birth to brahmin (cows with birth defects) and they went on to make more brahmin.

Humans vomit when sick with radiation it makes sense it would cause other animals to vomit as well. Horses can't vomit.

No horses.

I do believe Mole Rats are not from Military Labs, but I could be wrong. And that one place Necropolis, they turned into Ghouls instantly. But I see what your saying.

Fallout 3 says that mole Rats came from a lab. Still that could just be the CW type. The West Coast also has Giant Mole Rats. Not sure why wiki does not have a page on them.

I don't think the people of Necropolis became ghouls instantly. I remember they were exposed to FEV and then Radiation but that was changed when the origin of Ghouls was finally settled by the Devs of Fallout.

Just an ad-hoc scenario to explain their sudden re-emergence into the Fallout world (without any proper research or reading through all three pages of posts...):

Retrieved from the EPA (an area dropped from the final production of Fallout 2), NCR scientists have devoted considerable time and manpower to reviving the Equant ("equine mutant") population, utilizing a wide variety of tactics (including FEV exposure) in their experimentation, so that their Rangers might use them as mounts. Lacking the resources (and knowledge) necessary to salvage motor-bikes and other vehicles in great number, the NCR government feels that this will grant their scouts and other military personnel great strategic advantage in the field - and the ability to outpace an aggressor when retreat becomes necessary. Unlike a mechanized vehicle, Equants need only be bred.

Sadly, prior to his incarceration in the New Vegas region, Samuel Cooke and some of his followers bombed the Hub facility where the beasts were being kept. Since the explosion, many of the creatures have escaped and remain at large in the wild. NCR residents have received notice that, should they sight the beasts, they are to notify the authorities immediately and STAY AWAY from them. They are dangerous, wild animals. Since their escape, the creatures have been sighted as far east as New Reno and as far north as Arroyo. Experts predict a continent-wide migration of the species over the next decade.

NCR would not have access to FEV, unless they came across Mariposa :ahhh:

If anyone were to bring them back it would be the Shi.

Why would they not be at Mariposa? It's only a few clicks west of Shady Sands...

Not saying they would not find Mariposa. I am just thinking what would they do if they find it. Its also more then a few clicks away from Shady Sands. I doubt NCR would use FEV to bring back horses. Like I said before the Shi would be the most likely.

Then there is the question about Mariposa still having FEV. It looked like it was evaporating in Fallout 2. If not NCR most likely would close the place off once they figure out what FEV will do to people.

Brotherhood might also step in and close the place off from NCR.

Well to be honest seeing as the Shi are not mentioned I think they have been absorbed by the NCR, as for the BOS, well, I think the NCR had a little war with them and pretty much chucked them out of Cali.

Why not bring back horses, isn't the general far reaching goal of most of these post apocalyptic countries to return the world back to a semblance of as it was before the war? Horses are practical transport, they allow troops to be mobile without the need of fossil fuels, heck even during WWII most German Artillery units used horses as prime movers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ#t=0m58s

Just because the Shi arn't mentioned does not mean the Shi were made part of NCR. We don't know anything about the War between the BoS and NCR back west. No one talks about it other than what is going on in the Mojave.

I just don't want to see horse showing up as if they have always been around.

Why.