@Hircine: Yeah, the civility died around the time you started specifically attacking me and seti. Funny how that works.

@Hircine: Yeah, the civility died around the time you started specifically attacking me and seti. Funny how that works.

Your problem is that you assume that the absence of comments on my end about Morrowind, the fact that I've said very little about it, is evidence that I dislike it. I've never actively tried to argue that Morrowind is a bad game, and I never will.

@Sir-Stabs-Alot I just think it's strange that an Elder Scrolls game gets so much hate on the Elder Scrolls forums. Also, I don't think you understand me very well. I spent an hour on the phone yesterday arguing with my best friend over whether or not the biology in Avatar is in any way realistic. I enjoy debate, even if it's over something trivial and it's usually in good sport. That said, are you really tempted to try to fight me on the point that there's a difference between enjoying two things and enjoying two things to an exactly equal degree? Is that really how stupid this feud as gotten? And if so, does that make me the Atius family or the Sintavs?

I just think it's strange that an Elder Scrolls game gets so much hate on the Elder Scrolls forums.

Also, I don't think you understand me very well. I spent an hour on the phone yesterday arguing with my best friend over whether or not the biology in Avatar is in any way realistic.

It also works the other way around. I have never ever saw any of the usual people in debates (Seti, Saint Jiub, whatever) decide to say that Morrowind has some good aspect. They are always debating about Morrowind's "rubbish miss system". I don't hear anyone complaining about that?

As well as the comment (not made by you, obviously) about the nostalgia filter page (which I wasn't involved with in any way, in this thread or in general, just for the record ) being the work of me or seti. I don't think either of us are anywhere near that fanboyish, and if somebody came into the thread making that exact argument about Morrowind or Daggerfall, I would fight them on it.

How noble of you. :thumbsup:

Your problem Seti, and while I have the same one, is that in your eyes, any amount of criticism in your eyes is ridiculous. Granted you don't get as bent out of shape about it as others (won't mention any names), but the second someone says anything wrong about Oblivion, its like a crime in your eyes, and you have to fight it, regardless of the validity of the criticisms. For instance, that plot thread awhile back, I mentioned the flaws of the Oblivion plotline, and you and I argued about it, and then you tell me you didn't like the plot either.

Wait what? You argued with me about something you agreed with, because why? I said I didn't like something about Oblivion. It can be a legitimate concern (elves with the same voices, changing lore drastically) and you'll argue not because you genuinely agree with design decisions, but instead because you have such an anti-anti Oblivion complex, you will let it cloud your judgment and something that you may actually agree with, you'll instantly begin to defend the subject, regardless of the matter at hand.

The plot? We were arguing about which one was better, and I believe something along the lines of Morrowind's was much deeper came up. I argued that they were actually pretty equal in design and depth. I agreed that Oblivion's had more potential, and Todd even said they had a political side planned, but I don't agree that Morrowind's plot is leaps and bounds better than Oblivion's. Plotwise, Oblivion and Morrowind and pretty much equal.

That's not the point.

It kind of is. I edited my post. Their plots were identical, with different stories attached. I still wish for that poltical side that involved climbing through ranks of office to become the Duke of Colovia and restore Kvatch, but Morrowind's plot also lacked a part like that. They were planning on improving the plot structure of the next TES game from the previous one, but they decided to scrap the idea and keep Morrowind's plot. That is one of the worse decisions Bethesda ever made, in my opinion, but that doesn't mean that Morrowind handled the situation any better, so I argued.

No it isn't the point. Here you are, trying to cover your behind. You agreed that Oblivion's plot was not up to par, but I said it wasn't, and yet you still argued for the sake of arguing for Oblivion. It has nothing to do with Morrowind whatsoever.

My statement about you as a person has nothing to do with comparing Oblivion and Morrowind, I'm making an observation of you as an individual, there's no reason to try to bring Oblivion vs. Morrowind into it.

I guess I don't really see how Morrowind is similar to Oblivion or Arena at all, aside from a big baddie at the end. :shrug: Daggerfall does have a great story, but you can't lump Morrowind with cliche Oblivion.

If I was in the same room with you, I would hurt you. You are so missing the point here.

The point is that I argue for the sake of arguing. Yes, I get it, but that was not why I was arguing.

It basically was. Once again, I said I didn't like Oblivion's plot. Neither did you, but you still argued for it. That is obviously very simplified, but is basically the point. That is what I based my anolysis of you about.

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So all I get here is that Daggerfall was the only game not contested by its predecessor.