Request for help with a mod related crash : Fallout 3

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:32 am

I'm experiencing a crash to desktop on exiting the level up screen (i.e after choosing the perk and hitting done). I'm pretty sure this is mod related, as stripping the game down to just the fallout esm and the DLCs prevents the crash from happening. However, I'd really rather not have to play without mods. I've tried fixing the problem myself, and I'm fairly confidant the mods I have installed are installed correctly. Its quite possible Ive made a mistake in the load order though, or I'm using a mod thats incompatible with another mod by mistake. So, here is my load order, and I'd appreciate if anyone could take a look at it and see if there are any obvious problems

Fallout3.esmAnchorage.esmThePitt.esmBrokenSteel.esmPointLookout.esmZeta.esmUnofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esmDestruction.esmCRAFT.esmCALIBR.ESMProject Beauty.esmFO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esmMart's Mutant Mod.esmEnhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esmRTS NW.esmUnofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Operation Anchorage.espUnofficial Fallout 3 Patch - The Pitt.espUnofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Broken Steel.espUnofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Point Lookout.espUnofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Mothership Zeta.espDarNifiedUIF3.espProject Beauty- Broken Steel.espProject Beauty- Point Lookout.espFellout-pipboylight.espCASM.espCRAFT - Activation Perk.espGalaxyNewsRadio40[M].espUPP - Pack 1.espUPP - Pack 2.espUPP - Experience Perks.espUPP  - Quest Perks.espDestruction - Main.espDestruction - Main - Statics.espDestruction - DLC.espDestruction - DLC - Statics.espRTS NW - Volume 1st.espRTS NW - Volume 3rd.espRTS NW - Volume 2nd.espPowered Power Armor.espPPA - Broken Steel.espPPA - Operation Anchorage.espPPA - FWE.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - Alternate Travel.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).espFO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.espFO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).espTailor Maid.espTailor Maid Anchorage.espTailor Maid PITT.espTailor Maid Brokensteel.espTailor Maid ZETA.espWeaponModKits.espWeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.espWeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.espWeaponModKits - ThePitt.espWeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.espWeaponModKits - PointLookout.espWeaponModKits - Zeta.espEVE.espEVE Operation Anchorage.espEVE - FWE Master Release.espEVE - FWE Master Release (Follower Enhanced).espEVE Anchorage - FWE DLC Anchorage.espEVE - FWE with WeaponModKits.espMart's Mutant Mod.espMart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.espMart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.espMart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.espMart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.espMart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.espMart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.espMart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.espEnhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.espEnhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.espEnhanced Weather - Sneak Bonus during Storms.espFellout-Full.espFellout-Anchorage.espFellout-BrokenSteel.espFellout-PointLookout.espFellout-Zeta.espmegalight.espDestruction - CP - Fellout.espbash.esp   <----- this is a merged patch created in FO3editTotal active plugins: 89Total plugins: 94

I should also note that this crash is happening at the level 6 to 7 transition, I had no problems at earlier levels, and I'm using fose v1.2 beta 2.
Thanks.

Oh, and I'm using MMM RC6 beta 2, FWE 5.04

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:44 am

My guess would be a conflict between Ultimate Perk Pack and FWE. I think UPP vanilla perk changes aren't compatible with FWE. In your load order FWE loads later than than UPP, so it should overwrite those changes, but try disabling UPP plugins and see if it still crashes.

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:32 am

My guess would be a conflict between Ultimate Perk Pack and FWE. I think UPP vanilla perk changes aren't compatible with FWE. In your load order FWE loads later than than UPP, so it should overwrite those changes, but try disabling UPP plugins and see if it still crashes.

I've tried that, and it didnt help. FWE is only listed as incompatible with the UPP original perks, as you said - though I'm not running that one. I have managed to level up, running the game without FOSE seems to allow me to. I'd really like to know why that is though <_<

» Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:43 pm

That would propably mean some script that requires FOSE to function causes the crash. No clue what it could be, though.

» Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:36 pm

Well, Ill go through the mods that use FOSE and attempt to find the one causing it. For now though, my game is playable. Thanks for the help.

» Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:43 pm

Try disabling Powered Power Armor until after you level up.

» Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:52 pm

Try disabling Powered Power Armor until after you level up.

Aha, that fixed it. Turns out I'd forgotten to install the "crash fixer" for PPA. Thanks

» Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:40 pm

Did installing the crash fixer stop the problem, or did you remove PPA entirely? So far there are 3 other people having the same level-up crashes, but I'm pretty sure they're already using the crash fixer (which is meant to stop another kind of crash). I'll be posting more about this on the PPA thread, but apparently this sort of crash can happen when the GECK randomly decides to sort of corrupt a piece of armor - the game will suddenly start crashing on level up if that piece of armor has any object script attached to it.

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:31 am

I've been getting this issue as well Imp and removing PPA entirely fixes the issue but just installing the crash fixer doesn't. However, I was running without the crash fixer for the majority of this savegame without levelup crashes. It only started around levels 11-13, depending on the playthrough. Once that point hits I just level up normally but use 'closeallmenus' and add a perk via the console. Here's my mod list if it helps.

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  fallout3.esm01  anchorage.esm02  thepitt.esm03  brokensteel.esm04  pointlookout.esm05  zeta.esm06  unofficial fallout 3 patch.esm  [Version 1.2.0]07  impervious power armour.esm08  craft.esm09  calibr.esm  [Version 1.3]0A  xcalibr.esm0B  vault 101 revisited.esm0C  cubeexperimental (en).esm0D  fo3 wanderers edition - main file.esm0E  mart's mutant mod.esm0F  companion core.esm10  robco certified v2.esm11  Xepha's Dynamic Weather.esm12  dcinteriors_comboedition.esm13  FO3 Performance Enhancer.esm14  unofficial fallout 3 patch - operation anchorage.esp  [Version 1.2.0]15  unofficial fallout 3 patch - the pitt.esp  [Version 1.2.0]16  unofficial fallout 3 patch - broken steel.esp  [Version 1.2.0]17  unofficial fallout 3 patch - point lookout.esp  [Version 1.2.0]18  unofficial fallout 3 patch - mothership zeta.esp  [Version 1.2.0]19  darnifieduif3.esp1A  casm.esp1B  craft - activation perk.esp1C  feng shui.esp  [Version 0.9.1]1D  galaxynewsradio100[m].esp1E  prewar book titles and perks.esp1F  notsofast.esp20  heirapparent.esp21  intothedeepwoods.esp22  plweightadjust.esp23  the mantis imperative - mantis.esp24  the mantis imperative - jello.esp25  aqfh_c_103.esp  [Version 1.03]26  mrlabtechnician.esp27  tubRRCompound.esp28  backpacks - sedpl.esp29  sniperzooming.esp  [Version 1.5.0]2A  D.C. Confidential.esp2B  moremapmarkers.esp2C  mannequin.esp2D  dcinteriors_dlc_collectables.esp2E  MovinOnUp3.0.esp2F  fo3 wanderers edition - main file.esp30  fo3 wanderers edition - dlc anchorage.esp31  fo3 wanderers edition - dlc the pitt.esp32  fo3 wanderers edition - dlc broken steel.esp33  fo3 wanderers edition - dlc point lookout.esp34  fo3 wanderers edition - dlc mothership zeta.esp35  fo3 wanderers edition - followers enhanced (brokensteel).esp36  Tailor Maid.esp37  Tailor Maid Anchorage.esp38  Tailor Maid PITT.esp39  tailor maid brokensteel.esp3A  weaponmodkits.esp3B  weaponmodkits - fwe master release.esp3C  weaponmodkits - operationanchorage.esp3D  weaponmodkits - thepitt.esp3E  weaponmodkits - brokensteel.esp3F  weaponmodkits - pointlookout.esp40  weaponmodkits - zeta.esp41  xcalibrmunitions.esp42  xcalibrmunitions_fosenhancements.esp43  CS_ LightsaberQuest.esp44  Powered Power Armor.esp45  EVE.esp46  EVE Operation Anchorage.esp47  EVE - FWE Master Release.esp48  EVE - FWE Master Release (Follower Enhanced).esp49  EVE Anchorage - FWE DLC Anchorage.esp4A  EVE - FWE with WeaponModKits.esp4B  companion core dlc addon.esp4C  robco certified v2 zeta addon.esp4D  Water Bottles 3000.esp4E  Mart's Mutant Mod.esp4F  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp50  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp51  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp52  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp53  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp54  Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp55  Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp56  Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp57  Mart's Mutant Mod - Mutant Mod Menu.esp58  Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Main.esp59  Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Anchorage.esp5A  The Groovatron.esp5B  The Groovatron_DLC_Anch_Addon.esp5C  The Groovatron_DLC_Pitt_Addon.esp5D  The Groovatron_DLC_PL_Addon.esp5E  xCALIBR_override_FWE5.esp5F  Wadsworth- Button Gwinnet.esp60  PPA - Broken Steel.esp61  PPA - Operation Anchorage.esp62  solarcharger.esp63  robco certified v2 fwe patch.esp64  telescope_quest_fdt.esp65  Unique Dogmeat.esp66  MZ-Strong-EbonTek.esp67  TecVault.esp68  subwayhideout_v1_0.esp69  My_Megaton_House.esp6A  AfrosNukaCola.esp6B  PPA - Crash Fixer.esp6C  Merged Patch.esp

» Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:24 pm

Hmm, I thought at first the crash fixer fixed it, but removing it doesnt bring a return of the crashes. I think I mustve removed the mod to solve my earlier problem. I've noticed a *lot* less CTDs on saves / in general using the crash fixer however.

» Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:44 pm

The crash fixer is meant to prevent crashes related to ref walks, which, as far as I know, are unrelated to the level-up crashes. I've reworked the way the ref walks are done, and it's been very stable for me so far, but I'll be posting the next PPA release as a beta, just in case. If what I have now doesn't work better for everybody I'll have to handle it with leveled lists. But again, those crashes are most likely unrelated to the level-up crashes.

That makes 3, possibly 4 people that have this level up crash with and without the crash fixer, so it sounds like it is probably the corrupted object w/ script problem that Justinother mentioned. Hopefully someone can upload a save from right before their bugged level-up, so I can track down which object is causing the problem.

» Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:32 am

I tracked down the glitched out upgrade, and replaced it. There's a hotfix up on Nexus with the fix. There aren't any other changes from r1.3.4, though, so you'll still need the Crash Fixer.