Getting Special Powers from a Big Boss is an old Concept, the way bioshock did this was nothing truely ground breaking. Todd compared a battle with a dragon to that of a Big Daddy or HL2 Helicopter which required patients, skill, and determination. Crank up that difficulty level and I'm sure Dragons will be near impossible to defeat considering how difficult he's already comparing it to be. So expect for the weaker gamer to lower the difficultly level down ;p

This guy has been totally vindicated. Todd specifically said dragons were a mix of "Big Daddies and the helicopters of Half-Life"

Todd has said a few times he likes to read the forums, who knows, maybe he read this topic at some point before going on the podcast and thought this was a good comparison.

OMG, they ripped of Legolas and created Fargoth!

First game I ever played.
This type of game story isn't original. Banjo Kazooie is satire and was making fun of traditional adventure games.

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It was just a colorful allusion. Big Daddies and the Hunter Choppers were both scary big bads that seemed to pop up out of no where and cause a really, really nasty fight. Dragons are supposed to feel the same way. Basically, when you see a dragon, you say "oh crap."

Ya FYI I made this thread before the podcast actually the day before.

I think most people in this thread misunderstood the OP just about as much as is possible. All they mean is that dragons serve a similar purpose gameplay wise to Big Daddies - they're both relatively uncommon quasi boss enemies that require extra effort to take down but power up the player character in some way upon their defeat. He's pretty damn right, and I think you'll all find that the Big T agrees.

I'm with you man. I don't know what it was, but Bioshock just did not click with me. Pretty disappointed about that.

But as for the topic, must we compare one creature in a game to another because of one small, relative, and mostly irrelevant similarity?

bioshock inspired them to change the effects of spells

I think she was just making a joke on rediculous comparisons. And how generic most game stories and mechanics are.

You have to collect these keys to unlock the final bosses fort!

Todd was comparing the dragons to big daddy in the sort of mini-boss or unnerving enemy sense of you feel threatened by them.

Basically he was using Big Daddy and Boss fights in games to explain and reassure that dragons aren't just some hyped up baddie that goes down easy or has no unique sense in the game.

Also, enemies or bosses dropping some sort of item or skill isn't unique or special to Bioshock o.O.

Zelda comes to mind easily but it goes waaaaaay back.

Just an example of comments being taken a bit too seriously or sudden depth being put by fans when there's nothing there at all.

A good example is a teaser trailer for Deus Ex Human Revolution early on. It was some sort of heart or embro on it with a small name or message.

After it came out fans rushed to figure it out like some sort of hidden code. They came up with many exciting conspiracy ideas.

Only a little later the dev team responded saying it was all great but the name on the teaser trailer had no real meaning. It was just a nickname some members of the dev team gave just foe fun.

Ring any bells? Some things are complicated, but others really are as simple as they seem.

He said that dragons are going to be as hard as big daddies from Bioshock or Helicopters from Half Life 2.
I guess each of them are somewhat hard and make you feel somehow when you meet them,and that this is what Todd meant.

I'd say you're right, in Bioshock, ADAM, the stuff used to get new Plasmids, which were sort of like spells except explained as being the results of genetic engineering rather than actual magic, comes from Little Sisters, who you could choose to kill in order to "harvest" all their ADAM or save, which would give you less ADAM but would get you special rewards if you saved Little Sisters, it did not come from Big Daddies, you still needed to kill them to be able to harvest or save Little Sisters, because they protected them and would attempt to kill anyone who threatened them, but the source of Plasmids was not Big Daddies, they just protected the actual source. Now, in Skyrim, you actually absorb the souls of dragons to increase the strength of your shouts, from my understanding, and gaining new powers from defeating bosses is nothing new in games, in fact, if you expand it to just special rewards in general rather than just new or stronger abilities, than it's pretty standard in a lot of genres, including RPGs, where boss type fights often allow you to gain access to chests containing high quality items or something similar. And it sounds to me that you don't actually learn new shouts from killing dragons, nor do you "purchase" them, instead you find the words that compose shouts from draconic script on ancient walls and such, killing dragons just helps to make your shouts stronger.

While Todd does compare dragons to Big Daddies or the helicopters in Half-Life 2, he doesn't say they're inspired by them, he just means to say that they're powerful, sort of boss like enemies in the game, I think, drawing a comparison to enemies that fill a similar role in other games just gives players a clearer idea of what Bethesda is going for here.

The difference is that Big Daddies have super power-drills of death and dragons don't

Which were inspired by X Creature from X Game/Book.


Humanity emulates each other in order to evolve. I'm sure if it ends up being similar, it will be unintentional.

Good reply, was well thought out and formulated.