A great many questions regarding pre-Dunmeri Morrowind

Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:40 am

Okay, I know that a bunch of dissident Altmer left Summerset Isle and became the Chimer, but did the Chimer exist in Morrowind when the Dragons did? Also, did the Chimer live there when the Dwemer did? I need to know because I am making a fan fic and the main character will likely be a Dunmer/Chimer or Dwemer Dragon Hunter, but I need to know what race of fairly civilized sentient beings lived in Morrowind (Or...Dwemereth, right?) When Dragons were around.

I plan to have this Dragon Hunter hunting down a massive dragon, whilst dealing with the invading Cliff Racers at the same time. So... can the lore masters enlighten me? (By the way, I've read much on the UESP but learned little more than this)
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:58 am

I was under the impression that dragons in TES are rare and extremely powerful; I don't think there would be dragon hunters the way there are in other mythologies. But I'm not a loremaster; Proweler and others would know more about this.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:06 am

The dragons are vague and unexplored. Most sources regarding them are fictional or accompanied by half-serious dev weaseling. They can plausibly exist whenever you want them too, and First Coucil Morrowind (referring to Resdayn ruled jointly by the Chimer and Dwemer after driving out the Nords) is a good choice.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:06 pm

The dragons are vague and unexplored. Most sources regarding them are fictional or accompanied by half-serious dev weaseling. They can plausibly exist whenever you want them too, and First Coucil Morrowind (referring to Resdayn ruled jointly by the Chimer and Dwemer after driving out the Nords) is a good choice.


"Why are there no dragons in Morrowind?
Skylamps. They would actually be, moretheless, the Cliffracers. In short, the cliffracers came to Vvardenfell and pushed the dragons out. At one time, dragons flourished in Vvardenfell, being drawn to the comfort of the warmth in Red Mountain. The cliffracers grew in numbers (just as they appear to do in MW, since they seem to pop up behind you every 8 seconds). At first, this was not a problem for dragons. They were actually pretty good eating. But, just as a praying mantis is a big king of bugs, 1000 ants can easily take him. Thus, the dragons found themselves in a losing battle over the territory. Food sources and dwellings became overrun and the dragons simply packed their bags and moved on. The cliffracers plagued Red Mountain and in the end, drove the dragons out.

Some say the dragons moved on closer to Cyrodil, where they gained shelter and security from the Empire, along with dragons from other parts of Tamriel. Dragons are very sacred to the Empire, and as long as the Empire protects the dragons, the dragons MUST offer services to the Empire, such as aiding and protecting the Imperial forces in war (Redguard, the fight for Stros M'kai).

Just a little "in the know" for those who are curious about dragons. They DO exist, just not everywhere. Even in Cyrodil, where the majority of dragons may be, they are scarcely seen. Could it be they can shapeshift and use human form?"

Source: Posted on the Official Forums by WormGod.


-from Imperial Library. Personally I think this is nonsense, but whatever.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:42 pm

Okay, I know that a bunch of dissident Altmer left Summerset Isle and became the Chimer, but did the Chimer exist in Morrowind when the Dragons did? Also, did the Chimer live there when the Dwemer did? I need to know because I am making a fan fic and the main character will likely be a Dunmer/Chimer or Dwemer Dragon Hunter, but I need to know what race of fairly civilized sentient beings lived in Morrowind (Or...Dwemereth, right?) When Dragons were around.

Time of the Chimer/Dwemer alliance, it was called Resdayn.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:19 am

Okay, would it be lore-friendly if I had two Dragon Hunters, a Chimer and a Dwemer, living in Resdayn, battling thousands of Cliff Racers and a big, black Dragon?
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:00 pm

Why would they hunt dragons? TES dragons are not evil rampaging monsters hated by all, but highly respected intelligent beings. I don't know, a dragon hunter in TES seems to make as much sense to me as, say, a Nobel Prize Winner Hunter would in the real world.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:48 am

It's also possibly impossible to distinguish between actual dragons and Aedric dragon spirits like the Jills of Akatosh or the form most Nords saw Talos as, Ysmir.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:48 am

According to Frontier Conquest, a book in the game Oblivion, there may have been humans in Morrowind. It has a lot of information on Morrowind in general, mostly pre-Dunmeri (and even pre-Chimeri).

Okay, would it be lore-friendly if I had two Dragon Hunters, a Chimer and a Dwemer, living in Resdayn, battling thousands of Cliff Racers and a big, black Dragon?


Hell no. Try alit hunting.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:23 pm

According to Frontier Conquest, a book in the game Oblivion, there may have been humans in Morrowind. It has a lot of information on Morrowind in general, mostly pre-Dunmeri (and even pre-Chimeri).


I don't know how you manage to misinterpret that book, but the province of Morrowind wasn't its point.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:17 pm

Why would they hunt dragons?

It should be a similar act as burning Hist trees.

The dragon's death should result in something astonishing, beyond the here's-your-purse-of-gold-for-slaying-the-dragon ending; something on the scale of a treaty in the favor of a conquered, princeless throne. That's something for your characters to sift through, and deal with its repercussions.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:34 am

I don't know how you manage to misinterpret that book, but the province of Morrowind wasn't its point.


No, but it said a lot about it.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:38 pm

It's not entirely impossible there were men in Morrowind before the Elves. There are/were lots of Mannish races that aren't playable or represented by NPCs in any of the games for whatever reason, like those silvery skinned fellows from Argonia mentioned in 2920. And all the enslaved races of men the Ayleids had captured, which were assimilated into Imperial culture and eventually blended into either Colovian or Nibenese bloodlines.

If there were men in Morrowind, it's possible they were of Nordic descent. Didn't the Nords own part of what is now Morrowind at several points in the past?
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:11 am

The Nords had control of Resdayn (called Dwemereth by them, some sources also say they called it Dunmereth but that would make no sense as the Dunmer didn't exist as Dunmer back then) before the Chimer and Dwemer united to drive them out.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:39 am

No, but it said a lot about it.


No, it didn't, and this is leading me to believe you probably glanced over it unless you prove otherwise other than a now-vanished population of Morrowind. The subject was completely about shifting demographics of Nedic popuations in northern Tamriel and Cyrodiil, and it barely mentioned Morrowind at all.

It's not entirely impossible there were men in Morrowind before the Elves. There are/were lots of Mannish races that aren't playable or represented by NPCs in any of the games for whatever reason, like those silvery skinned fellows from Argonia mentioned in 2920. And all the enslaved races of men the Ayleids had captured, which were assimilated into Imperial culture and eventually blended into either Colovian or Nibenese bloodlines.


Argonia was an extension of an Ayleid empire. Cities like Gideon were originally built by the Ayleids, and it wouldn't be unremarkable that the last remnants of pre-Alessian Cyrodiil stayed in Black Marsh as represented by tribes like the silver-skinned Kothringi.

If there were men in Morrowind, it's possible they were of Nordic descent. Didn't the Nords own part of what is now Morrowind at several points in the past?


The men Frontier, Conquest, and Accommodation refer to aren't the same people as the Nordic conquerors of the first Empire. They were akin to the tribes in Cyrodiil, Hammerfell, and High Rock, and thus were forced to accommodate to an elven population that were still the ruling majority in the continent. The Nords weren't making concessions.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:04 am

The men Frontier, Conquest, and Accommodation refer to aren't the same people as the Nordic conquerors of the first Empire. They were akin to the tribes in Cyrodiil, Hammerfell, and High Rock, and thus were forced to accommodate to an elven population that were still the ruling majority in the continent. The Nords weren't making concessions.


Okay, gotcha. I do know that post-Morrowind, one rumor is that the Nords and Orc mercenaries are attacking the Redoran strongholds. It would make more sense if they were trying to "get back" at the Dunmer. That's where I got the idea the Nords had once dwelt there. The evidence just isn't there for my theory though.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:31 pm

Okay, gotcha. I do know that post-Morrowind, one rumor is that the Nords and Orc mercenaries are attacking the Redoran strongholds. It would make more sense if they were trying to "get back" at the Dunmer. That's where I got the idea the Nords had once dwelt there. The evidence just isn't there for my theory though.


They were. The Nords are expanding across their former territories in High Rock, Hammerfell, and Morrowind. Remember that Jehenna and Dragonstar are under Nordic rule? Some Nords probably feel that parts of Vvardenfell are their rightful territory, and that's why some settled in Dagon Fel. Or they're just making a killing in trading dwarven parts, dreugh wax, slaughterfish, and pillows in Sheogorad.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:03 pm

The stuff that happened elsewhere in the world during the events of Oblivion are more interesting than the actual quests going on in that game, to me. I'd love for future games to deal with either some of these scenarios or their after effects, but they probably won't. Hell, most of them probably aren't even true. The rumor from Morrowind that Uriel Septim's sons were Daedric doppelgangers was never mentioned in Oblivion.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:24 am

So the Nerevarine did not necessarily get lost in Akavir?
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:38 pm

So the Nerevarine did not necessarily get lost in Akavir?


I believe it's a rumor that you can accept or ignore for your own story.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:48 pm

I believe it's a rumor that you can accept or ignore for your own story.



As long as you accept that Redoran and Indoril are down, Dres and Hlaalu are allied and Helseth reigns supreme.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:39 pm

So the Nerevarine did not necessarily get lost in Akavir?


The Nerevarine "disappearing to Akavir" is kinda like Darth Revan "wandering to the edges of the Galaxy" or SonGoku "merging with the Dragonballs."

It conveniently removes a powerful and famous character from a setting so that other stories may be told without having to work around the character or include him/her.

The Nerevarine may or may not be in Akavir, but he/she is no longer here. That's the important part.
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