I'm sure there were several Dunmer in the Imperial City during the Apotheosis of Martin Septim.

It's not an unrealistic stretch to assume they bring the "good news" back to Vvardenfell. The news would spread there over time naturally even if no Dunmer from Morrowind were present. (I'm sure considering the size of Imperial City that some citizen of the Empire who witnessed it would eventually travel to Morrowind and tell the tale.)

The whole thing about the Tribunal being used as Church Saints by proselytizers in Morrowind is a bit of a stretch, I know, but it's not entirely impossible that certain chaplains and preachers representing the Church would try to at least draw some moral parallels between the Tribunal and the Saints of the Nine Divines. It's a very common real-life tactic for gaining converts. Christianity, one of the major world religions, borrowed many, many symbols, rituals, holidays and yes even Saints and Patriarch figures from previous popular "pagan" religions. If a Church is in the business of gaining converts and spreading its influence, and I have no reason to assume the Nine Divines Church is any different, then it would be most fruitful for them to appeal to pre-existing Dunmer culture in any way that doesn't overtly conflict with the basic beliefs of the Church.

Almalexia doesn't die. Her corporeal form died in the Clockwork City, but her spirit lives on, along with all the other mortals who have died over the Ages. However, because of her godhood (and yes, it did still exist, although it deteriorated faster), she would be a much more powerful spirit then most, and I'd imagine, be able to influence Nirn. If I recall correctly, the Tribunal was made stronger through faith. Basically what I'm saying is that the Tribunal cannot truly die as gods unless the Dunmer stop believing in them. I'm sorry if I'm confusing.

I had nearly forgotten that key part of the equation.

They didn't get all their power from the Heart. Vivec mentions in one of his sermons that the power that keeps that rock that Sheogorath hurled at Vivec City levitating in the air is not derived from the Heart but from the belief of the Dunmer people. Almalexia also seemed to believe that with the continued faith of her people she could remain a Goddess and cheat mortality somehow. It obviously didn't work because she was slain, but I wonder about that giant rock. Wasn't it even mentioned in Loveletter from the Fifth Era that it still hovered there? And didn't it also mention a statue of Almalexia? In the fifth era, apparently the Tribunal are highly regarded still by the Dunmer people. This leads me to believe not all their power is gone. They are technically "dead" and can never again take physical form, but there's some belief left that keeps some of their powers active, and presumably keeps things like shrines to them active. (As in, you touch a shrine to the Tribunal and can still be cured of all your diseases and attribute changes, despite them being dead.)

I said that finishing (or rather, starting) Tribunal before Ur's deafeat is nonsensical. Almalexia's death isn't the important part. Her madness, the assassination attempt, and the political intrigue between her and Helseth can only take place after the Vvardenfell chapter.

Something many people overlook is the fact that in th Trial, Almalexia's spirit was summoned from Azura's Star. This is in a rather hazy territory because it relates to a specific action of the PC, but it's cool enough to be canon for me, even though I never did that quest.

Actually, if you read the archived thread, it was made pretty clear that MK was strongly against the idea it was Almalexia's spirit. Vivec said something to the effect of "I know where you're going with this train of thought and you're wrong. Stop it. Now."

Then who the heck? So much for the simple explanation.

Link?

Been thinking about that some time ago, too. If it wasn't for the spirit being of female form and the Clavicus Vile bit in the last lines, I would take the chance and take Sotha Sil into consideration, but... well, he doesn't fit. Another possibility could be Sigillah Parate, who wrote http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/invocation_of_azura.shtml, being an avid worshiper of Azura. The female part at least matches, she is Dark Elf and therefore "the my people" part fits, too. And the irony that she turns to Clavicus Vile next is sweet. Lacking any real proof, I ask myself the same question, though.

So what, any Dunmer living in the Imperial City is an outlander in the eyes of native Dunmer, and as good maybe worse than the Imperials themselves. Even if we ignore that, why would those actions sway them from what they've have always done. Ancestor worship isn't just a religion, it's honoring the dead and the living knowing that they will be honored when they die. It's about family, clan, and culture, and those are things the Cult cannot over them. Also, not all religions proselytize, although I do believe the Cult does, but the Tribunal Temple for example doesn't. The Cult will probably make some what of an effort, but they have plenty of worship from the colonists, and Imperial goods and services do the job for them in some ways, so they just have to wait. In the end however, Ancestor worship will win as long as Dunmer society doesn't get completely destroyed.



As for their power remaining after death, it doesn't automatically point to them still being around. Vivec could well have set the magick to hold the moon over vivec forever or a very long time without needing constant power from him. That he says it requires worship may only be a way of keeping people worshiping them, after all even if they still had the power of the heart, that wouldn't guarantee that the Dunmer would worship them. Not that they needed convincing, but it might still be a sly reminder, that if they should stop worshiping them, the evils that they were shielded from might return.

Not to say that it isn't actually held in place by worship, perhaps all they need to do is keep praying at the shrine under the moon to keep it afloat, but I must say, that is some powerful praying.

The suggestion in the aftermath is that she was a lover of Clavicus Vile but that Azura did not want to see a mortal paired with a Prince of Oblivion. I don't see anything to indicate that it was Almelexia or a follower of Azura.

In "Oblivion", one of the Dunmer says that he used to be a Temple priest in Kragenmoor "until the Collapse", then emigrated to Cyrodiil and joined the Imperial Cult. Apparently the Temple has been greatly weakened by the loss of the Tribunal, even though they will probably keep them as saints.

Which Dunmer is that? I wish to speak with him.

Here you go: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Avrus_Adas

I found him in vanilla "Oblivion"; I don't have KOTN or SI.

I believe Vivec later said that him and his departed siblings should be thought of as "saints" and honorable characters, but not to be the focus of the Tribunal Temple's worship as they had been before. He suggested Dunmer worship to return to the earlier patron saints.


The Nerevarine also ran off to Akavir, and Vvardenfell was smashed by the Daedra. I don't even know if this kind of stuff has any lore significance anymore. I think it's just Bethesda's way of eliminating potential retcons by getting rid of plot devices from previous games.

Even sadder since I don't even like to consider Oblivion canon. If you want to destroy my favorite province of all (Morrowind), at least do it in a professional and lore-correct game. Don't do it in some half-assed cash cow. It's like Indiana Jones 4 - they should've just left the series to end on a high note, rather than George Lucas digging it up from the morgue and defiling it with his horrible plot devices.

I don't think Vvardenfell was destroyed, though the town of Aldruhn was. If there were other cities destroyed, we would have heard of it in "Oblivion". Instead, we're told that the Telvanni are attempting to close the gates but failing, and the Redorans have been hit hard, while Dres and Hlaalu are "picking apart the ruined carcass of Indoril". Still, I'm assuming that with the final closure of the gates at the end of the Oblivion Crisis, the Dunmer will start picking up the pieces the way the survivors of Kvatch will have to.

Suggested by who? It seems strange to just assign or even introduce actors so abruptly, and in so significant a role.

The spirit mentions that she 'comes again and again' or something. If you forced me to guess, I'd suggest that Almalexia was the female that bound Almsivi (Ae Seht Ae Alma Ae Vehk) together in a divine entity just as Alessia was the female principle in Cyrodiil's divine story. Which means that Azura was accosted by the personification of an abstract mythical role found in Mundus. I dunno.

From the transcripts, Neal came up with the question and Nazz affirmed it.

But it's not as if the text leaves allot of room for any other interpretation.



This speaks of a mortal being matched to a Daedra. This might refer to the Anticipations but Azura is Seths anticipation so this takes away a personal angle. But lets run with both possibilities.



This seems to cover the reason for the creation of Azuras Star. A prison to hold a lover away from another person because her love for this person might just ensure that they meet again. This puts more context on the pairing of a mortal with a Daedra. Apparently they are lovers.

Azura's star existed long before Ayem died and her pairing with another Daedra via the anticipations had already taken place. Azura however indented to prevent such a union from happening by creating the Star. So this puts another point against Ayem.



Apparently this Daedra lover is Clavicus Vile. This also rules out the anticipation as connection.

So in the end the choice is between a newly introduced follower and lover of Clavicus Vile who became trapped in Azura's Star a long time ago, and Ayem whom must have been a lover of Clavicus Vile and must have been trapped in Azura's star when she was killed.

Now considering that the former explains the origin of Azuras star and has a sensible chain of events, while the latter relies on something the player may or may not have done and requires allot of hand weaving, the former is the more plausible explanation.

Now I can only hazard a guess for the why but it seems she is Vivec's key witness to show Azura's true nature. It metaphorically strips her naked for all to see.