A lot of really kinda bitter speculation is going on. I think a lot of stuff is getting really too much attention, focusing too much on 'bad' things. From what I can tell, the worst thing Todd's done is use less than clear language when he's trying to describe something without revealing every detail of it, both because thats no fun and because its likely in the finalizing stages. I fully sympathise with how akward it can be to make statements about things without spoiling too much, while trying to both satisfy a fan base and do so in a way that doesn't alienate newcomers.

Thats really hard to do, and that he's even given so many interviews is unprecedented. Really, I think we've been seeing more from the developers and more insight into their decisions than we did for Oblivion by a wide margain..But sometimes it doesnt seem to translate that well, especially without being able to communicate with voice tone (this is text only, after all) and body langugae (the podcast is jsut audio, after all.)

My point is to just take a breath, and calm down. Like I said when it was on the way, the only real reason people wouldnt enjoy Oblivion was they were comparing it to Morrowind. I have full confidence in the team, I think they are putting as much thought and heart into this as we are, and I think they take it just as seriously. He was right that you can't simply rely on your installed base...That leads to stagnation. But I have seen *nothing* to show that Todd, or anyone at bethesda, is at all ignoring our discussions, or is simply waving us off.

They are even addressing most of the fundamental complaints, like stiff animation and restrictive engine. I mean think about it, they're building an engine *wholly designed* for use in an Elder Scrolls game. Im honestly thinking we're going to see something really special. And for now, I will continue making my suggestsions, like spears (I love spears), and pointing out where we really don't need something (Throwing weapons, cant go nearly as fast as arrows, and that Mercantile and Speechcraft should be combined primarily.) But I am certain that so long as we don't try to wedge skyrim into a model set in an earlier ES game, we'll be fine.

I ask you, is any elder scrolls game anything like any other elder scrolls game? You can download the first two from Bethesda, so you can quickly see that they've expanded and morphed the elements many times, and I think, to a very good, very different end each time.

Im as stoked as ever for its release, and I just do not like seeing a repeat of the rabbling last time. Keep posting your opinions, we are a part of the community after all. But give these guys SOME credit. Todd did design Morrowind and Oblivion after all. I think that alone is all you need to remember to give them benefit of the doubt.

I agree with you, but you are just continuing the conversation (which you are trying to stop) here.

Erm... no.

*waits for the "no spears ruined oblivion comment*

:rolleyes:

Niker

I was going to break down your post, but the kid is getting restless.

First, there's not been as much Dev insight as with OB. I have yet to see any devs explaining their decisions, giving better explanaitions, etc. here in the forums. It's all been press. Oy, remember how much info MSFD put out?

As for the rest, do you have confirmation of spears? Where's Mark and Recall? Theses have been called for repeatedly, yet they don't appear to be in. Is that not ignoring? (Just busting your argument, not flaming)

Finally, if you were here for OB's (and any other games' development) you'll know that this forum is built upon using assumption and opinon as fact, that everything is personal, and that the best jump one can make is to irrational and conclusions

It's jst the way things are. Plees of "give them a break" rarely go far. I hear ya, but maybe you have some Quixote in your blood?

No spears ruined Oblivion :brokencomputer: :brokencomputer: :brokencomputer:

Nice job, OP. You're just rerouting the discussion to your own thread.

Also, complaining about complaining doesn't help the issue and just creates spam.

Also, the forums are a place where anyone can post their opinions on something, no matter how sane or irrational said opinion is.

The other people who are posting in this thread obviously do not pay attention to what Todd says. They start from the ground up everytime. Not looking at what they need to bring back from the last game but instead only think about what will make the current game awesome. They did an outstanding job with that on Oblivion but people complained because they saw Morrowind as the only TES game and that all TES games should be exactly like Morrowind but prettier.

This is the internet, what did you expect? People will complain, they will whine, moan and [censored] about ever single little thing. That's how the world works, you can't please everyone and some will complain just for the sake of complaining. Ignore it and the problem goes away, it really is that easy.

This man speaks the truth and nothing but it. :thumbsup:

The thing is, they don't owe us an explanation for anything...

Complaining about other threads, about comparing Skyrim to the previous games, complaining about complainers gains absolutely nothing. Whilst the information on the new game is trickling through it is inevitable that it will be compared to someone's favourite game. The moderators will allow all these comparison type of discussions as long as they stay civil and constructive - what we won't allow is this type of topic that gains nothing except bad feeling.