Actually, and I could be mistaken, Dagoth Ur find out about Kagrenac's plans.

And even if Azura did, I'd gather her preference would've been for the Chimer to destroy the Dwemer.

They may both be different versions of the story- I can never keep all of them straight. But Azura did want the Chimer to attack the Dwemer. I don't really understand what you're saying.

It's been a while since I compared them all but I seem to remember that one of the papers held by Vivec or the dissidents did state that Dagoth Ur discovered what the Dwemer were up to - and one may well be curious as to how Dagoth Ur made that discovery - it has always been a mystery how Dagoth Ur linked to the heart - could another Prince of Oblivion helped him?

Dagon would make perfect sense in that role both (as we have learned) because of his Leaping Demon King role and also to revel in the centuries of war and general mayhem that have ensued.

Another candidate would be Sheoggy. There is an age-old rivalkry there as evidenced by that bet with Azura, so I could easily see Sheoggy unbalancing things by suporting Dagoth Ur so as to mess up Azura's relationship with the Chimer, but it will likely remain a mystery simply because plot and scenario did not require another Prince on the scene in the MQ. The time for revelations might have come again with the Oblivion MQ and the expansion - but again it was passed up.

As it turned out MK would have us focus on the idea that the real contest became between Azura and Vivec, but this really started before Vivec and separately from him even if once semi-deified by connection to the Heart he had always been. Really Vivec appears to have been a side effect of the entire episode - opportunism sits well with his nature.

One could, if you could explain why it isn't an unnecessary copout that detracts from Voryn's character and story.

I don't think that you're giving Dagoth Ur enough credit.

If the Tribunal were already powerful and well versed in their respective professions before linking with the heart, then it stands to reason that Dagoth Ur, Nerevar's other councilor, was intelligent, resourceful, and knowledgeable enough to figure it out.

I agree. He was able to figure out to use Kagrenac's Tools, after all.

I don't think any Prince would want to help a mortal become a god. They love the power they have over mortals, even for the reasons 1999 posted, I doubt they would teach someone the use of a divine object.

Not even Sheogorath, just for fun? I reason that it makes no sense for any god (let alone a crazy one) to do anything that makes sense, at least to any mortal.

Not even Sheogorath, just for fun? I reason that it makes no sense for any god (let alone a crazy one) to do anything that makes sense, at least to any mortal.

Perhaps. Sheogorath has allowed a mortal to mantle him, after all. Though it does seem to go against their nature...

I'm not sure. Maybe Proweler, Nalion or another Lore-Khan will have something to post later...

I think I'm going to make studying the Daedra my next ES-related project. Perhaps it'll reveal clues into mysteries...

Yes and no. Jyggalag and Sheogorath were two sides of the same coin. One could argue that from a mythic point-of-view what happened was that Jyggalag (who wanted to be free to do what he wanted) split the coin in half and split from Sheogorath. The Champion of Cyrodiil only got in the way and was like a fly who was spending too much time on an open highway.

Okay, maybe the anology is off. Let's try this again.

Jyggalag, buried inside of Sheogorath's subconscious, wanted to not be buried inside of Sheogorath's subconscious. However, in order to do that, Sheogorath would have to die and unfortunately the conscious part of Sheogorath (our friendly and loveable daM doG) didn't want to die. So, what he did was created an out for Sheogorath by having him die and yet not die. Sheogorath did not want to die (which he technically did every Grey March), so he took the out.

Anyways. My uber point is this: Sheogorath, like all Daedra, are survivalists and tyrants. They don't want to share power because it might mean that they would end up becoming undefined (as good as dead). Even in the context of influence over the Mortal realm, they do not want other players. There are 28 players already, so the game is complex enough as it is. Add four more... phaw.

Anyways. My uber point is this: Sheogorath, like all Daedra, are survivalists and tyrants. They don't want to share power because it might mean that they would end up becoming undefined (as good as dead). Even in the context of influence over the Mortal realm, they do not want other players. There are 28 players already, so the game is complex enough as it is. Add four more... phaw.

Yes but... that completely trailed of what I was saying, which was that the CoC had mantled him. Sheogorath had allowed a mortal, for however short a period of time, to be a god. Thus, he may, though very unlikely, have taught Voryn Dagoth the use of Lorkhan's heart.

I already knew about the whole duality thing between Sheo' and Jyg'.

Or am I completely missing your point? If I am, blame it on lack of sleep, and/or caffeine.

I had thought of Sheoggy/Jyg as a schitsophrenic, but your post makes me think of the Dawn Times - now I am wondering: was that how the splitting/division of the various 'Great Spirits' that became trapped in the Grey Maybe into lesser beings came about?