I need a professional load order review, including Bash impo : IV

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:54 pm

After playing with modded-Oblivion for several years, I like to think that I'm savvy when it comes to finding and fixing conflicts. But this one has me stumped. The mod Decorator Assistant causes CTDs every time I finish using it. The similar mod Redecoration also produces such a crash. I've exhausted most of my options for 'deactivate a mod and wait 3 days'. I looked over the DA scripts in the Construction Set. Even went so far as to Google the lines of code I did not recognize. Nothing stood out as extraordinary.

If the mod is loaded into a clean save, it works fine until I increase a skill; tried both with and without Oblivion XP Leveling, and made a new character. The mod is so incredibly (relatively) simple, I can't think of what is causing the conflict/crash, short of FCOM itself. The only mods not recognized by BOSS (and thus hand-placed by me) are #32-36. I welcome any ideas at this point. Probly not the best idea to post w/ only 15 active members, lol. Guess I'll bump it in the morning. Here is my LO, and Bashed Patch.

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Masters for: Streamsave_29.ess
00 Oblivion.esm
01 Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0]
02 You Are Here.esm
03 All Natural Base.esm [Version 0.9.9]
04 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
05 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
06 MD_Saddle_Master.esm
07 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
08 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
09 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
0A VASE - core.esm
0B Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
0C TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
0D FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
0E Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0F HorseCombatMaster.esm
10 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.5]
11 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
12 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
13 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
14 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
15 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
16 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
17 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
18 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
19 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
** Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp
1A All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1B All Natural.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1C All Natural - SI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp [Version Final]
++ Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
1D Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp
1E Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp
1F Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp
20 Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
21 CNRP Bruma4OOO.esp [Version 0.2]
22 CNRP Chorrol4OOO.esp [Version 1.1]
23 CNRP FightersGuild4OOO.esp [Version 1.0]
24 CNRP Cheydinhal4OOO.esp [Version 1.0]
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.78]
25 New Potions by Tealpanda.esp
26 phinix_master_summon.esp
27 Reznod_Mannequin.esp
28 Update My Statue.esp [Version 1.30]
29 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 4.0.5]
2A Choices and Consequences.esp [Version 2.02]
2B Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.4]
2C Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.0.2]
2D Hov's Hotkeys.esp
** Book Jackets DLC.esp
++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
2E Defensive_staves_Immersive.esp
2F JQ-Amulets.esp
30 LSB Skull Weapons (Clean).esp
31 Wyrmfang.esp
32 abyss_staves.esp
33 Soul Edge 2h.esp
34 Remove Mouse Scroll 1.4.esp
35 AT Prison.esp
36 no compass markers v1.0.esp
37 Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
38 MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp
39 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
3A Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
3B OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3C Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
3D FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3E Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
3F FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
40 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]
41 Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp [Version 2.0]
42 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
43 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
44 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
45 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
46 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
47 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
48 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
49 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4A Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4B Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
++ VASE - Cyrodiil for MMM.esp
++ VASE - Vanilla SI.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp [Version 1.39c]
4C TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
4D TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp [Version 1.39c]
4E TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
4F ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
50 FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp [Version 0.9.9]
51 FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
52 Geomancy & Gem Dust OOO.esp
53 OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
54 Mage Equipment - OOO.esp
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]
55 ArmoryLab.esp
56 Biotavion On Water.esp
57 BHC_Expanded.esp [Version 1.2]
58 FuseSnailRacing.esp
59 The Imperial Vaults.esp
5A Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++ Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
5B Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
5C Mimics!.esp
5D MountainTower.esp
5E Museum.esp
5F Your_Personal_Museum_Updated-9300.esp
60 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.3]
61 The Black Cat Jewelry Store - Daedric Statues.esp
62 UnfathomedTower.esp
63 VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
64 Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1]
65 CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1]
66 The Lost Spires.esp
67 Mighty Umbra.esp
** MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp [Version 0.1]
68 Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]
69 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
++ FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp [Version 0.9.9]
6A road+bridges.esp [Version 4.5.4]
6B xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.4]
6C LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
6D xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
6E xulTheHeath.esp
6F MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp
70 XulEntiusGorge.esp
71 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
72 LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp [Version 1.2]
73 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
74 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
75 mythsandlegends.esp
76 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
77 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
78 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]
79 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.2]
7A xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
7B xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
7C Mimics-CloudtopMountains patch.esp
7D xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
7E xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
7F xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.2]
80 MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp
81 xulPantherRiver.esp
82 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
83 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.2]
84 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.3]
85 Fuses Snail Racing Unique Landscapes Imperial Isle patch.esp
86 xulBlackwoodForest.esp
87 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
88 KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
89 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.1]
8A xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
8B NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp [Version 5.0]
8C Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
8D Cliff_BetterLetters.esp [Version 1.1]
8E DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp
8F DecoratorAssistant Unlock for OBSE version.esp
90 DS Less Predictable Respawn.esp [Version 1.1]
91 gardening.esp
92 kikaibookbelts-tail.esp
93 Kyoma's Journal Mod.esp [Version 3.2.0]
94 Leviathan Soulgems.esp
95 Leviathan Trophy Soulgems.esp
++ New_Magical_Staves.esp
96 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
97 Enhanced Vegetation [150%].esp
98 Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1]
99 More Realistic Encumbrance.esp
9A PetrifyandStoneSkinSpells.esp
9B RefScope.esp [Version 1.3.0]
9C sr_enhanced_magic_system.esp
9D SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90]
9E SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86]
9F SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]
++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
A0 Wizard'sSpellBook.esp
A1 CLS-AlchemyTools.esp
A2 Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
A3 Multiple Enchantments.esp
A4 RenGuardOverhaul.esp
A5 RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp
A6 Enhanced Grabbing.esp [Version 0.5]
A7 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
++ SM_DeadlyReflex.esp [Version 0.86]
A8 Oblivion XP.esp [Version 4.1.5]
++ Oblivion XP - Journal Mod Patch.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp [Version 0.78]
A9 Stat Restore.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
AA bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
++ TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.esp
AB bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicItemSigil.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicEVStartspells.esp [Version 1.68EV]
AC bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
AD bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]
AE bgMagicAlchemy.esp [Version 1.57]
AF bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp [Version 1.68UV]
B0 bgBalancingOptionalLessHealth.esp [Version 10.0UV-U]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp [Version 9.0EV-U]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp [Version 10]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Vanilla.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
** bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp [Version 9.0EV-D]
B1 bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp [Version 10.5EV-D]
B2 SPAWN.esp [Version 0.2]
** bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp [Version 1.68]
B3 bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
B4 Get Wet.esp
B5 qazFingerSnap.esp
B6 NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 0.9.9]
B7 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
B8 Streamline 3.1.esp

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Import all options: Merge Patches, Actors, Actors AI Packages, Actors Death Items, Factions, Graphics, Inventory, NPC Faces, Names, Relations, Roads, Scripts, Sounds, Stats, Race Records.

Other Imports: Cells; everything except the UOP. Added Import Script Contents to both Dec. Assist mods though I am unsure if it has any effect. Tweak Actors Boars/Imps As Intended. Tweak Assorted; Armor/Clothing Show Ring/Amulet, Darnified Books, Fog Fix, Right Hand Rings. Tweak Clothes; Gloves Show Rings, Robes Show Amulets/Pants.

Non-Import Bash Checks: Cobl Catalogs, Contents Checker, Leveled Lists.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:01 pm

Other Imports: Cells; everything except the UOP. Added Import Script Contents to both Dec. Assist mods though I am unsure if it has any effect. Tweak Actors Boars/Imps As Intended. Tweak Assorted; Armor/Clothing Show Ring/Amulet, Darnified Books, Fog Fix, Right Hand Rings. Tweak Clothes; Gloves Show Rings, Robes Show Amulets/Pants.

Non-Import Bash Checks: Cobl Catalogs, Contents Checker, Leveled Lists.

Hm... I think there are a couple of bits of relevant advice http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/finishinstall/bashedpatch. Otherwise, I'm not sure what's wrong exactly.

edit: And I'm not 100% sure, but maybe a few mods need to be updated? Or could benefit from that...? Also, I'll just add, I'm no "professional", btw!

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:42 am

Try deleting the path of this line in the Oblivion.ini: STrackLevelUpPath

Set "STrackLevelUpPath=\\vault\TES4\LevelData\" to "STrackLevelUpPath="

Edit: 36 no compass markers v1.0.esp <-- The Bashed Patch has tweaks to do this. I thought MMO had an option for this as well, but I know you can find this tweak in the Bashed Patch.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:15 am

I appreciate the suggestions, but alas, no dice

Edit the Bashed Patch as per the link, removing all of the 'jewelery shows clothes' options. Also disabled OOO and WarCry imports where listed. Also edited that line in the .ini w/out quotes. Waited 3 days in the testing hall, then tried to use a simple staff w/ the DA. As soon as it's moved or unsummoned, I crash. As for the compass marker, MMO only affects the map markers. I used the Bashed Patch option, but it didn't work.

I'm going to try disabling the DA, then making a clean save and adding it back, keeping all of the adjustments thus far. Although any more ideas are still welcome. I looked over every line of the script, and it's just so, for lack of better words, normal. StartQuest adds spells to the Mystic Emporium. Then the activator Player.GetItem/Spell, Summon the Menu, output the various options for b.placeitem and lock it with a script I didn't recognize. There is no sound reason for this crash :brokencomputer:

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:39 am

Maybe the problem is the unlocking fix...?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:14 pm

Is there a word for when you know so much that you cycle back around to stupid? :nuke: The problem was in fact the DA Unlock, conflicting with the thousands of FCOM scripts. I fully disabled and removed FCOM while keeping everything else. Then started a new character and the unlock worked perfectly. Removing the unlock and doing a clean install of DA is so far working with FCOM (yay). And if anyone else ever encounters this problem, I was able to modify the DA script to work-around the 'permanent lock' bug. Though I don't feel quite so bad since I linked the Deadly Reflex hotfix and Tom couldn't believe it was different from the SM compatibility patch :hehe: Cheers m8.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:56 am

Is there a word for when you know so much that you cycle back around to stupid? :nuke: The problem was in fact the DA Unlock, conflicting with the thousands of FCOM scripts. I fully disabled and removed FCOM while keeping everything else. Then started a new character and the unlock worked perfectly. Removing the unlock and doing a clean install of DA is so far working with FCOM (yay). And if anyone else ever encounters this problem, I was able to modify the DA script to work-around the 'permanent lock' bug. Though I don't feel quite so bad since I linked the Deadly Reflex hotfix and Tom couldn't believe it was different from the SM compatibility patch :hehe: Cheers m8.

Good to hear.

Happy gaming!
- Tomlong75210

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:47 am

I hate to necro, but it seems my celebrations were presumptuous

Removing the Unlock plugin only delays the crash. I waited 3 days to clear the scripts, then reactivated and bought the DA spells again. As soon as an item is locked, the game crashes. Same thing happens w/ the Redecoration mod. I have rebuilt the patch w/ 'Import Scripts' completely un-checked, but to no avail. I have restored my .ini, but the changes to to import jewlery options and the two OOO/WarCry things remain off. Since I doubt that the act of importing cells, actors, etc. would cause this, I believe it must have something to do with another mod.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:03 am

Kill that plugin. Wipe it from your load list. Remove it. Forget about it. It's crashing your computer...