CTD right when I kill a monster : IV

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:14 am

Ok, here goes...

So I have been greatly enjoying my FCOM setup and using Oblivion XP as a leveling mod. I have had previous CTD problems when fast traveling but have resolved them. So for a couple weeks now I have been (relatively) crash free. :celebration:

Recently however, I have encountered a problem where I will get a black screen and instant CTD right when I finish off killing a monster. :brokencomputer: It's strange because it usually does not happen and I can kill 20-30 monsters with no problems then all of the sudden I will get CTD when killing say a headless zombie. I've tried just disabling the monster via console before which helped me avoid the crash but I'd really like to not have to keep doing this just to play the game. Anyone have any ideas what might be causing this?

Another item of note... for some reason it seems like it is mostly happening only when I kill the last monster of a group. For example I'm in a dungeon in Blood & Mud fighting a large group of zombies called "Diseased" and I kill like 10 of them no problem then every time I go to finish off the last one I'm consistently crashing. :confused:

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Heres my load order:

Spoiler

00 Oblivion.esm
01 Windfall.esm
02 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
03 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
05 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
06 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
07 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
08 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]
09 Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]
0A Artifacts.esm
0B Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0C Better Cities Resources.esm
0D NNWAEMaster.esm
0E CM Partners.esm
0F HorseCombatMaster.esm
10 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]
11 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
12 Better Cities .esp
13 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
14 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
15 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
16 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
17 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
18 Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
19 Natural_Weather_HDR_2.1.2_bugfree.esp
1A Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
1B Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
1C CT-Com's Torch Compendium.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.78]
1D New Potions by Tealpanda.esp
1E Reznod_Mannequin.esp
1F SigilStonesixpanded1.5.esp
20 wd purse of wonders.esp
21 Living Economy.esp
22 Living Economy - Items.esp
23 Landmarks.esp
24 DLCHorseArmor.esp
25 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
26 DLCOrrery.esp
27 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
28 DLCVileLair.esp
29 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
2A DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
2B DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
2C DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
2D Morrigan Armor Set v1_0.esp
2E Nicos Scimitars Back.esp [Version 1.61]
2F PTArtifacts.esp
30 SentientWeapon.esp [Version 3]
31 DLCThievesDen.esp
32 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
33 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]
34 ExnemRuneskulls.esp
++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9]
35 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
36 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
37 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
38 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
39 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3A Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3B Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
3C FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3D Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
++ ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp [Version 1.35]
3E ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35]
3F Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
40 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
41 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
42 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
43 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
44 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
45 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
46 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
47 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
48 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp [Version 1.39c]
49 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
4A TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp [Version 1.39c]
4B TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
4C TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp [Version 1.39c]
4D ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
4E FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
++ SentientWeapon - OOO & MOBS.esp [Version 3.1]
4F OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]
50 Castle Ravenpride.esp [Version 1.01]
51 Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]
52 Artefacts of the Ancestors.esp
53 Artifacts.esp
++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0]
54 Basemant for Cobl.esp
++ Basemant for Cobl - Sheep Wool addition.esp
55 Bjornheim.esp
56 Forgotten Tomb.esp
57 HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 6.0]
58 JolardHome.esp
59 300_White Stallion 4.esp
5A Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++ Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
5B Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
5C GlenvarCastle.esp
5D NNWAREAyleidDungeons_Series1EV.esp [Version 2.2]
5E NNWAEDungeons-Series2EV.esp
5F NNWARE06-RhyeliaEmeroEV.esp
60 Quest For The Elements.esp
61 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.3]
62 White Tower v0.8.esp
63 WOTFH_1.3.esp
64 Windfall.esp
65 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
66 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
67 DLCFrostcrag.esp
68 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
69 Knights.esp
6A Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
6B TOTF.esp
6C The Lost Spires.esp
6D AFK_Weye.esp
6E Blood&Mud.esp
6F Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
70 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
71 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.4]
72 LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
73 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
74 xulTheHeath.esp
75 MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp
76 XulEntiusGorge.esp
77 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
78 LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp [Version 1.2]
79 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
7A xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
7B mythsandlegends.esp
7C xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
7D ForgottenTomb-LostCoast patch.esp
7E xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
7F xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]
80 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.2]
81 SentientWeaponII-AncientYews patch.esp
82 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
83 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
84 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
85 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
86 HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp
87 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.2]
88 MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp
89 xulPantherRiver.esp
8A Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.esp
8B xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
8C xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.2]
8D NakedNord.esp
8E xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.3]
8F xulBlackwoodForest.esp
90 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
91 Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
92 TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
93 KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
94 CastleRavenpride-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
95 DungeonsOfIvellon-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
96 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.1]
97 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
98 bartholm.esp
99 Bartholm-Panther River Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
9A Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
9B Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
9C Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
9D Bag of Holding.esp [Version 1.5.0]
9E CBScryingv1.esp [Version 1.0]
9F P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
A0 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
++ ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp
A1 Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.1.1]
A2 Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.1.0]
++ Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp
++ Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp [Version 2.1.0]
++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp [Version 2.1.0]
++ Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 2.1.0]
A3 Finders Keepers.esp
A4 Gather Ye Rosebuds.esp
A5 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90]
A6 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.80]
++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86]
A7 SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]
++ SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]
++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83]
A8 MidasSpells.esp
A9 RshAlchemy.esp
AA RshAlchemyRecipes.esp
AB Lightweight Potions.esp [Version 1.1]
AC EnchantmentRestore.esp
++ EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
AD Deadlier Sneaking 1.1.esp
AE Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
++ SM_DeadlyReflex.esp [Version 0.86]
AF Oblivion XP.esp [Version 4.1.5]
++ OOO-Level_Stock.esp [Version 1.33]
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
B0 CM Partners.esp
B1 CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
B2 CM Partners NPC.esp
B3 CM Partners More NPCs.esp
B4 CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
B5 CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
B6 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]
B7 Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53]
B8 Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53]
B9 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
BA bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicEVStartspells.esp [Version 1.68EV]
BB bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
BC bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp [Version 9.0EV-U]
BD bgBalancingVanillaGMSTArmorPenalty.esp [Version 9.0UV-U]
BE bgBalancingVanillaGMSTMagickaRegeneration.esp [Version 9.0UV-U]
BF bgBalancingVanillaGMSTSpellCostProgression.esp [Version 9.0UV-U]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
C0 bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
C1 bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.993]
C2 Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp
C3 BCBravilB&MFULL-Barrowfields patch.esp
C4 BCCheydinhalFULLB&M-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
C5 Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
C6 BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp
C7 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
C8 Better Imperial City.esp
C9 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2]
CA AznarsLifeDection-3052.esp
CB bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.7EV]
CC bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
CD StealthOverhaul.esp
CE Arrow Enchanter.esp
CF Ayelid Wells.esp
++ Weightless Ingredients.esp
++ Weightless Ingredients SI.esp
D0 Weightless Ingredients VL.esp
D1 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
D2 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:27 pm

Update: I have tried disabling scripts via console 'TSCR' and this also seems to eliminate the problem leading me to think that the issue here is probably with Oblivion XP possibly conflicting with some other mod I have. I've exhaustively gone through my readme files and have yet to single out the conflict though.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:34 pm

Your Deadly Reflex main esp is at the very bottom :brokencomputer: DR5 is complex enough that it could definitely cause CTDs when misplaced.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:14 pm

Yeah I usually just trust BOSS for my load order for the most part but I read somewhere that DR needed to be placed after bashed patch so I just recently moved it there to see what happened.

I moved it back to mid load order where BOSS puts it though Im still having the CTD when killing monster. :shrug:

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:04 pm

Sorry to bump my own thread but does anyone know anything about this problem? Ive been searching the forums with no luck so far. I wish I knew more about OBSE scripting to be able to really troubleshoot which script line is causing the crash.

If someone could even point me to a little guide on how I may go about digging through script to possibly find something I would appreciate that.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:05 am

AF Oblivion XP.esp [Version 4.1.5]
++ OOO-Level_Stock.esp [Version 1.33]

Doubt it is causing your CTD issues but you can remove OOO-Level_Stock.esp as it won't make any difference when using Oblivion XP.

Are you using the OOO sword Light of Dawn? It has issues which hopefully should be fixed in the next version.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:34 pm

Doubt it is causing your CTD issues but you can remove OOO-Level_Stock.esp as it won't make any difference when using Oblivion XP.

Are you using the OOO sword Light of Dawn? It has issues which hopefully should be fixed in the next version.

I've removed the OOO-Level.esp and it didn't fix the crash of course but I thank you for the pointer to clear a spot in my load order.

Alas, no I am not using Light of Dawn. I am using multiple weapons some of both magic and normal weapons and the problem persists. CTD right when a monster is killed even if my companion or summon strikes the killing blow. Frustrating... <_<

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:10 am

I've removed the OOO-Level.esp and it didn't fix the crash of course but I thank you for the pointer to clear a spot in my load order.

Alas, no I am not using Light of Dawn. I am using multiple weapons some of both magic and normal weapons and the problem persists. CTD right when a monster is killed even if my companion or summon strikes the killing blow. Frustrating... <_<

Remove
34 ExnemRuneskulls.esp
++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9]

becouse you allready have ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

and as far as i know 3F Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] is not compatable with FCOM yet

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:53 pm

Don't know if it's the source of your problem, but

A0 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]

is also known to cause CTDs.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:41 am

Doubt it is causing your CTD issues but you can remove OOO-Level_Stock.esp as it won't make any difference when using Oblivion XP.

And adding to that; If there is any other mods that change the way a skill or attribute levels up, remove those too - though I don't see anymore.

But keep that in mind in the future.

++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] <---this not quite work well with FCOM yet.

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0] <--update to 3.2.6

I'm more concerned about ObXP though as I'm the most familiar with it. If you really think it is the cause, then here's how you test it.

Remove the mod. and then make a clean save(saving without the mod installed). If that solved it, my only suggestion is to make sure you are using the OBSE18 version.