Dragon Age 2 writer responds to complaint about BioWare negl : Othor Games

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:34 pm

Oh okay then. Out of curiosity, is there any sort of lore in the game regarding this? What I mean is, in the real world, our religions have specific stances on sixual preferences, and our societies have specific stances on excessive sleeping around. Was Bioware creative enough to address the fact that there seems to be an abundance of people willing to sleep with you regardless of your gender, utilizing the attitudes of the society you find yourself in and the dominant religion there, or is it truly nothing but fan-service?

Does anyone have an idea what proportion of people would display bisixuality with neither cultural stances condemning it or encouraging it?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:36 pm

Oh okay then. Out of curiosity, is there any sort of lore in the game regarding this? What I mean is, in the real world, our religions have specific stances on sixual preferences, and our societies have specific stances on excessive sleeping around. Was Bioware creative enough to address the fact that there seems to be an abundance of people willing to sleep with you regardless of your gender, utilizing the attitudes of the society you find yourself in and the dominant religion there, or is it truly nothing but fan-service?

Fan Service, IMO

Like I said, some of the options are just too hilarious to be taken seriously.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:54 am

Based on what I'm seeing here, it sounds like the complaint comes off as rather homophobic, but Bioware's own stance isn't without its problems either, it sounds like they basically just decided that they should just completely ignore logic and just make everyone bisixual regardless of whether they makes any sense, just so they can ensure that no one will complain that they want to have a relationship with a certain character and can't. If they want to make sure that characters can get what they want whether they want a character of the same six as their own or not, I'd think it would make more sense to have a mix of characters of different sixualities, but hey, I'm not Bioware here.

I haven't played Dragon Age 2, but the more I read about it, the more I feel I don't need to in order to understand the people complaining about it.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:50 am

i can see where hes coming from.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:30 pm

I guess this proves that the Romances in DA2 are really bad.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:16 am

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0089141/

That's all I have to say. That man has a good ol' voice. Probably why I want a Varric romance.

Besides, if we can be with elves, why not dwarves?!

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:12 am

Besides, if we can be with elves, why not dwarves?!

Bioware certainly has something against Dwarf Romances. I don't see anything wrong with doing it with the stoudt folk.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:42 am

I never saw a problem there. I romanced Isabela on one game and then Merill on another, both were good romances, I've got no complaints. Do i care if a fictional character is gay or not? No, why would I? I don't care if real people are gay or not so video game characters certainly get a free pass.

Hell, in Origins my male mage had a foursome with Isabela, Zevran and Leliana...I'm not really a prude.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:10 am

So wait.... everyone in DA 2 is bisixual?

:blink:

So the folks over at Bioware have officially gone insane, right?

Naw I think it's the gaming companies trying to be more accepting of things and people are just getting PO'd at it. I think there's one or two instances of..."Activity" in FONV yet I didn't see it covered in the news. Heck you can even do it with a freaking robot and that's probably violated some standards of some people. Sadly the news just wants to cover the biggest idiot lately making the biggest insane statement. basically MY ILLOGICAL LOGIC IS PERFECTLY LOGICAL AND YOU SHOULD DO WHAT I SAY .

Really would love it if there were some way to sterilize these people so they could procreate since they are polluting the gene pool. :banghead: :facepalm:

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:39 pm

I'm kinda glad BGS avoids this type of stuff so that they don't have to worry about people with pitchforks complaining about Anders or similar character being a little too weird for my Male Hawke or Protagonist.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:14 pm

Naw I think it's the gaming companies trying to be more accepting of things and people are just getting PO'd at it. I think there's one or two instances of..."Activity" in FONV yet I didn't see it covered in the news. Heck you can even do it with a freaking robot and that's probably violated some standards of some people. Sadly the news just wants to cover the biggest idiot lately making the biggest insane statement. basically MY ILLOGICAL LOGIC IS PERFECTLY LOGICAL AND YOU SHOULD DO WHAT I SAY .

Really would love it if there were some way to sterilize these people so they could procreate since they are polluting the gene pool. :banghead: :facepalm:

That seems a little extreme, no need to remove people from the gene pool because you disagree with them.

The problem I see isn't that bisixuals are represented in the game, it's that they're overrepresented while the other sixualities are underrepresented. Presumably for purposes of fanservice.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:37 am

That seems a little extreme, no need to remove people from the gene pool because you disagree with them.

The problem I see isn't that bisixuals are represented in the game, it's that they're overrepresented while the other sixualities are underrepresented. Presumably for purposes of fanservice.

I believe the main problem was that DA2 was rushed and they didn't have enough time to make the romances in depth so they went with simplicity by having everybody be Bi in order to save time.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:53 pm

Oh okay then. Out of curiosity, is there any sort of lore in the game regarding this? What I mean is, in the real world, our religions have specific stances on sixual preferences, and our societies have specific stances on excessive sleeping around. Was Bioware creative enough to address the fact that there seems to be an abundance of people willing to sleep with you regardless of your gender, utilizing the attitudes of the society you find yourself in and the dominant religion there, or is it truly nothing but fan-service?

The in game religion is the chantry, its just like christianity (even got templars and "exhaulted marches") but they never had any issues regaurding sixuality.
So there is nothing much in terms of lore about sixuality becuase the cantry never gave a damn. And the fact I saw on the forum some had all romances on one playthrough... I think its just fan service, I noticed it alot with ME2 "wah wah, my fem hawke cant romance Tali, wah".

Its fanservice, BW always gives fanservice, look at miranda in ME2, skintight suit, you see her ass hal of the time instead of her face, tali was the nery chick with low self esteem, and in DA2 isabella is the woman who sleeps around and decides not to wear pants, just boots a thong ad a corset iirc.

I'm kinda glad BGS avoids this type of stuff so that they don't have to worry about people with pitchforks complaining about Anders or similar character being a little too weird for my Male Hawke or Protagonist.

I am glad BGS has no romance in games at all, I have seen the BW forums, and some things creep me out, mainly the people who like Tali. One guy posted that he thinks six with Tali would be like "making love in a bathtub of vasaline" and then you had that Tali doll *shudders* no Bioware can have that stuff on their forum/games.
Besides fanservice is a great way for a dev to loose my respect, granted thats worthless but still, its quite pathetic.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:06 am

I'm totally appalled at BioWare now

I mean it's just wrong for BioWare to have bisixual and homosixual male characters that make passes at the player. I mean just give us http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kKK3HcFUlOs/SG4lVCTjvsI/AAAAAAAAJMw/CeDTwAfRekk/s400/god%2Bof%2Bwar.jpg to play as because that totally doesn't alienate our sixuality.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:59 am

I think it's more hillarious then detrimental to the game, I laughed for a good 5 minutes when this happened in my game:

..........................

Hawk and his sister approach some incredibly wildly cliché homosixual elf gigolo dude in a brothel to get information on a disparition

Hawk: Do you have a moment?

Elf: Hey, I think I always have some for someone as gorgeous as you, honey.

Hawk: Ok.......

asks for information and recieves it in an incredibly awkward way

Elf: Now, did you want anything else, maybe some good, relaxing massage and fun time?

Now at tthat moment I really, really wounder what happens if I say yes, so I do.

Hawk: Why not? I have some free time.

Hawk's sister: WHAT!?? Couldn't you do this some other time? Like when I'm not here! huge sigh :eek:

:swear: :stare:

Hawk: Well.... scratches his head awkwardly .......maybe some other time would be more appropriate....

Hawk's sister: Too late! The nightmares will be with me FOREVER! Walks away :banghead:

Hawk: http://24.media.tumblr.com/avatar_a59d7ef3ef31_128.png

Rivalry points gained

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That was soooooooo hilarious! Having a sibling party member really changes the dynamic of the game, in an awesome way. Man, that was hillarious. Talk about a way of coming out of the closet to your sister! With an elf gigalo right out of The Rocky Horror Picture Show you've just met. Way to go Hawke!
:rofl:

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:16 am

Really would love it if there were some way to sterilize these people so they could procreate since they are polluting the gene pool. :banghead: :facepalm:

Over-reaction, much.