Sorry I guess i was not clear but what I was trying to say was at 5:06 his set up proves that they are mines (because of the symbol on the left directional pad action button) and not charges like your were saying it could be.

can you link me the video and tell me where to look to get confirmation on this?

Only vids I have seen with mines, they were completely invisible until detonation. The red outline people are talking about, seems to be after spotted by the operative.

that to me screams use teamwork you fools.

this really seems like some "it killed me it MUST be broken!"
low health,being shot at and plenty of other things could contribute to being killed by mines. it isn't OHKO so what's the problem?

stop damn whining geez.

sometimes i feel like people want this game to be bad

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edit: f a n b o y is censored. O.o

I doubt that they're literally invisible; just figuratively invisible, as in invisible to your team's radar.

look at the video on the first page. At 2:00 minute marker he comes behind 3 enemies and starts shooting them... there is CLEARLY no visible mine on the ground in front of him. His buddy walks over at about 60% hp as a medium, then the mine shows up and detonates... incapacitating him. Unless this has been changed in later builds, it is an invisible mine. The problem I have isn't entirely that you need 2 classes to disable them... it's that they are completely invisible so even the most careful soldier will get hit by it and the fact the class that CAN disable them can't see them unless ANOTHER class spots them for him. Make them visible so that people can go around them, just not on the map or outlined... this way careful soldiers can avoid them, operatives can still spot them to call in engineers, and a good engineer can find/disable them on his own.

It's not that they are insta kill, which they aren't unless you are a light without buffed HP I'm assuming, it's that they are invisible and getting hit by invisible mines is MUCH more infuriating than killed by visible COD claymores with lazers on it and able to be found/avoided/detonated by anyone. The fact it's invisible makes it cheap, the fact that its powerfull makes it all the more infuriating.

I'd be fine if they did almost no damage, but knocked anyone in a 5 to 10m radius over.... but they do at least 65% of a medium players HP.

No, no, you can always see them, the Operative just highlights it and makes it an objective for an Engineer.

So, does the operative need to ironsight it to see? Or does he ironsight it to tag it as an objective for the engineer?

Adding to this (which is a good answer as it stands), I'm pretty sure they turn visible when stepped on (that's what it looked like to me, anyway), and become Engineer targets.

So yes, the Engineer CAN see a mine - But only once it's armed. If a teammate's standing on it, and the Engy's close, get there, disarm, saved! if it's an Engineer stepping on the mine, just look down and disarm.

And they can always be detonated at a distance with one of your infinite supply of grenades if you're not an Engineer but suspect there will be a mine where you're wanting to go.

The guy at 5:06 isn't the same guy as the one at 2:00 or the one at 8:06.

Watch the red outline of the thing at 2:00 (somebody yells about tossing a charge by the way) and compare the outline to the blue outlined item (which is a charge) around 2:09. They are the same shape which is one of the reasons I think that's a charge and not a mine. I don't think it's there prior to when it shows up red at 2:00 which is why you can't see anything as he ducks around the corner.

I believe the one at 8:06 is a mine that we catch a glimpse of the guy planting it and then when he dies it goes away, but somebody spotted it very quickly.

Ok what i was trying to say was at 5:06 you can see an engineers three abilities on the bottom left, (they are turret, Kevlar vest, and the mine symbol). We know that engineers get mines and soldiers get charges, . Then seeing that that is the symbol for a mine, look at the kills list at exactly 2:04 where it says that Damnall killed Nashmere with a mine. Then at 8:07 the symbol comes up again in the kill list and says that Kuszczak killed Laswell with a mine.

Okay I got ya now, that was why I was asking where I should be looking, I'm so used to the kill listing on the left hand side I wasn't even noticing it over there.

Not knowing what the symbol is for satchel charge though, is it possible that that is the signifier for mines and charges (i.e. stationary explosives) or maybe they're very similar?

And it still looks like what we're seeing is the guy planting the mine at 8:06 so is it possible it's just that quick of a plant and the guy just planted it there at 2:00 right before the other guy steps on it, much like those that slam down claymores while running away only to catch the guy chasing in CoD?

@Mathonn The shout-out about the charge is probably objective related.

@OP Even if mines do 60% damage, it can only incapacitate you. If you do get knocked off a ledge by a mine, it doesn't seem like falling does that much damage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qvCPrZr5is&annotation_id=annotation_297879&feature=iv

No it's been confirmed that if you can stop quickly enough and keep the pressure on the mine an engineer can disarm it.

On the same token I'm sure a molotov cocktail will kill anyone if it hits them in the face, but that's not the case in Brink either. :shrug:

I really think you're over thinking this. It's not like the map will be covered in mines. Mines will probably be like the turrets where when you plant a second one, the first one disappears. Besides that's the point of the game. Sure it svcks to be a medic or a soldier and get blown up with a mine. That's why you A. switch to an Operative and spot them yourself or B. make sure you have an Operative on your team...SD did that on purpose to make you dependent on your team and have to actually work together to win.

/nod. Teamwork makes the dream work