Can't Leave The Sewers : IV

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:48 pm

I've reached the gate leading out of the sewers in the intro. When I click on the gate, it gives me the usual choices of editing my selections or leaving the sewers. I try to leave the sewers, and for some reason, I get a message saying I can't go that way. It then shows the land beyond the sewer entrance for a brief moment, then i'm back to looking at the gate again. I've played Oblivion before and i've never had this problem. I don't know if it has to do with a mod i'm using or not. Here's the list of mods i'm currently using:

Spoiler

Oblivion.esm
. Note: Masterlist Information: $Revision: 902 $, $Date: 2010-05-06 00:21:38 -0700 (Thu, 06 May 2010) $, $LastChangedBy: pacificmorrowind $

TR_OoT_Main.esm

AWS-Core.esm

Cobl Main.esm
. Note: Do not use Tamrielic Ingredients and COBL at the same time.

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Invent,Scripts,Stats,Relations}}

Mart's Monster Mod.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

Armamentarium.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Relev}}

Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

CM Partners.esm

HorseCombatMaster.esm

bookplacing.esp

Beautiful_Women_NiceOnly.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Beautiful_Women_DB_Addon.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Beautiful_Women_SI.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Beautiful_Women_Vampires_50.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_Addon.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_DB_Addon.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_SI.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_Vampires_50.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_Bonus.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
. Note: Recommend installing UOP hotfix for additional fixes: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27710
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.CombatStyle,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Stats,C.Climate,C.Light,C.Name,C.Owner,Creatures.Blood,Delev,Factions,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}} and remove the C.Water tag (only exist in older version).
. Note: Remember to use the 'MOBS' version when using Francesco's or FCOM.
. Note: Newest MOBS and non-MOBS versions have the same name.

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
. Note: Remember to use the 'MOBS' version when using Francesco's and FCOM.
. Note: Newest MOBS and non-MOBS versions have the same name.
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Stats,C.Climate,C.Light,C.Name,C.Owner,Delev,Factions,Invent,Names,Relev,Scripts,Stats,Relations}}

Better Cities .esp
. Note: Dummy file to load Better Cities .BSA

LoadingScreens.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics,NoMerge}}

All Natural - Real Lights.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Scripts,Graphics}}
. Note: Do not use with original Real Lights mod.

Improved Water.esp

HBM.esp

Symphony of Violence.esp
. Note: May cause CTDs when used with Deadly Reflex. Merging it into the bashed patch with Wrye Bash *May* fix it.

AmbientTownSounds.esp

MIS.esp

MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp

Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Scripts}}

Storms & Sound.esp
. Note: Use only one Storms and Sound mod file.

AWS-Storms & Sound SI.esp
. Note: Use only one Storms and Sound mod file.

WindowLightingSystem.esp

AliveWaters.esp

Added Realistic NPC's v1.0.esp

Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp

aaaBorsBedrolls.esp

ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
. Note: Deactivate CLocksOfCyrodiil.esp

Fatality Cam.esp
. Note: Consider using the Wrye Bash Bashed Patch tweak option instead.

NBB.esp

RAEVWD Cities.esp

RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp

RAEVWD Imperial City.esp

Reznod_Mannequin.esp

Street Gangs.esp

Living Economy.esp
. Note: Don't use 'Living Economy' and 'Living Economy - SI' together. Pick one.

Living Economy - Items.esp

Cutthroat Merchants.esp

Crowded Roads.esp

HouseMapMarkersOnlyBought.esp

Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp

AyleidMeteorIronWeaponsBASE.esp

Ancient Silver Armor.esp

Dragon Knight Armor v. 1.1.esp

RustyItems.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}}

Thieves Arsenal.esp
. Requires: OBSE.

Mounted_Steering.esp

Mounted_Spellcasting.esp

Mounted_Trampling.esp

Cobl Glue.esp

Cobl Si.esp
. Requires: Shivering Isles expansion.

OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp

Cobl Tweaks.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.ACBS,Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

OOO-Water_Weeds.esp

ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp
. Note: Can be used with either 'ArmamentariumLL.esp' or 'ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp'.

ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
. Note: Use either 'More Wilderness Life' or 'More Wilderness Life No Gates' but not both.

Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp

ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp

PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp

PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp

MMM-Cobl.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Invent}}

Auriel's_Retreat.esp

BeldaElysium.esp

BravilSeaDomes.esp

CaveOfLostSouls V1.esp

Castle_Dunkerlore_V1.esp

Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp

Forgotten Tomb.esp

Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIPackages}}

Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp

LetThePeopleDrink.esp

MountainTower.esp

Nascosto Isles 3.esp

Ruins of Tarnesia.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces}}

SkyCastle.esp

The Island Of Fire.esp

TR_Stirk.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}}

VaultsofCyrodiil.esp

Village of Lily 2.0.esp

za_bankmod.esp
. Note: For use with Better Cities use replacing fix for BBC.

Arena Blacksmith.esp

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light,Invent,Names,Relev,Stats}}

Consequences.esp

Consequences_Knights.esp

TOTF.esp

RTT.esp

The Lost Spires.esp

Blood&Mud.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair, NpcFaces}}

Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp

HeartoftheDead.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair}}

xuldarkforest.esp

LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

xulFallenLeafEverglade.esp

LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
. Note: Make sure version is 1.6.3 or later.

Castle_Almgard-V2.esp
. Note: Be sure to use the right version depending on Unique Landscapes Beachs of Cyrodiil being used.

ForgottenTomb-LostCoast patch.esp

xulbravilbarrowfields.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp

xulRollingHills_EV.esp
. Note: Only use one UL Rolling Hills esp

BeldaElysium-RollingHills patch.esp

MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp

xulPantherRiver.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

xulBlackwoodForest.esp

xulCheydinhalFalls.esp

TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

xulAspenWood.esp

xulSkingradOutskirts.esp

Castle_Seaview.esp

CastleSeaview+LostCoast Patch.esp
. Conflicts with: EaglesRest+LostCoast+CastleSeaview Patch.esp

Open Better Cities Full.esp

Open Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp

OBCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.esp

OBCBravilB&M-Barrowfields patch.esp
. Note: Use OBCBravil or OBCBravilB&M but not both at the same time.

Harvest [Flora].esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Scripts}}

Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

Bag of Holding.esp

Cliff_BetterLetters.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Names}}

Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp

Leviathan Soulgems.esp
. Note: if using the abridged version (same name); make sure to be using the latest version (released in 2010) the earlier version had a malformed header tha could cause errors.

Oblivifall - Closing Time.esp

Oblivifall - Let's Talk!.esp

P1DkeyChain.esp

PersuasionOverhaul.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp
. Note: MAY cause CTDs. Cause uncertain despite extensive debugging. Disable if experiencing a persistant crash.

ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp

Storms & Sound - Bank of Cyrodiil.esp
. Note: Using any of the Storms & Sound patches Storms & Sounds.esp. If using any other Storms & Sound file (OBSE-Storms & Sound.esp, EW-Storms & Sound.esp, etc.), it must be renamed to Storms & Sound.esp.

Storms & Sound - Blood&Mud.esp
. Note: Using any of the Storms & Sound patches Storms & Sounds.esp. If using any other Storms & Sound file (OBSE-Storms & Sound.esp, EW-Storms & Sound.esp, etc.), it must be renamed to Storms & Sound.esp.

Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp
. Note: Using any of the Storms & Sound patches Storms & Sounds.esp. If using any other Storms & Sound file (OBSE-Storms & Sound.esp, EW-Storms & Sound.esp, etc.), it must be renamed to Storms & Sound.esp.

Storms & Sound - Better Cities.esp
. Note: Using any of the Storms & Sound patches Storms & Sounds.esp. If using any other Storms & Sound file (OBSE-Storms & Sound.esp, EW-Storms & Sound.esp, etc.), it must be renamed to Storms & Sound.esp.
. Note: Better Cities patch is based off Better Cities.esm and can load above all Better Cities esps.

Quest Award Leveling.esp

Quest Award Leveling - Finger of the Mountain.esp

RealHungerv1.4.esp
. Note: Realistic hunger mods and vampire mods may conflict seriously.

RealSleepExtended.esp

Multiple Creature Summoning.esp

MidasSpells.esp

EnchantmentRestore.esp

EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp

Thievery_Normal_Thrill.esp
. Note: only use one of the 'Worthwhile Thievery' ESPs.

sycSHOUT.esp

Denock Arrows.esp

Marksman Velocity.esp

Marksman Velocity SI.esp

JM's Bar Fights mortal.esp
. Note: Pick and use only 1 of the 2 JM's Bar Fight mod files.

Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
. Note: Use no more than one Timed Block ESP.

DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
. Note: See http://omploader.org/vMmJlbA/DRtestfix.zip for a hotfix for CTD issues.

S.P.A.M.esp
. Note: Use either 'S.P.A.M.esp' or 'S.P.A.M. 100+.esp' but not both together.

Dark Dungeons.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light,Deactivate}}

Dark Dungeons - SI.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light}}

TheOubliette.esp

Visual Enchantments v1.0.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

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Unrecognised mod files:
Reorder these by hand using your favourite mod ordering utility.
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Unknown mod file: Stirk_Compatibility_Patch(removes ship from anvil harbor).esp
Unknown mod file: Arena_Corpse_check.esp
Unknown mod file: Forgiven_Sins.esp
Unknown mod file: Deadly_Lava.esp
Unknown mod file: SISewers.esp
Unknown mod file: Liftoff.esp
Unknown mod file: Orcv2.esp
Unknown mod file: Tropical Island.esp
Unknown mod file: The Below.esp
Unknown mod file: Dangerous Waters.esp
Unknown mod file: Furniture Repriced.esp
Unknown mod file: DragonSlayer.esp
Unknown mod file: Banes Lair of the Witchking.esp
Unknown mod file: Plain Sailing.esp
Unknown mod file: Legion Horses.esp
Unknown mod file: CaiusCosades.esp
Unknown mod file: boat.esp

I* moved all the UL mods to the bottom as well as any UL patches for other mods i'm using. I also moved Lost Spires to the bottom, so it would look something like this:

UL mods
UL patches
Lost Spires
Bashed Patch

I'm also not that familiar with Wrye Bash. Many mods give me a suggested bashed patch tag. I have absolutely no idea what that means or how to do it, and the Wrye Bash tutorial page is confusing. My main concern is finding out why I can't leave the sewers. If anyone can give me a basic idea of what the bashed patch tags are and how to do that as well as advice on whether I should merge leveled lists/objects (if possible and if necessary) , that would be very helpful. Actually, any help in doing ANY of the Wrye Bash related actions on this list would be fantastic. I'm somewhat familiar with Wrye Mash in terms of list merging, but i'm sure this is a little different. Any ideas? Suggestion? Help?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:09 pm

You are missing MMMforOOO.esm for starters. You may have an out of date MMM.

Also, a better way of giving a load order is to use Wrye Bash and right click the headers in the mods tab and choose "List Mods". That list gives more information including version numbers.

You may be able to get around the message problem by turning off borders in the INI, but first make sure your MMM is up to date and then repost your load order with the Wrye Bash version. Add it to your first post and wrap "spoiler" tags around it....They're in the "Other styles" dropdown box.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:10 am

Ok. I thnk I did this right. Here's the list from Wrye Bash:

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00 Oblivion.esm
01 TR_OoT_Main.esm
02 AWS-Core.esm
03 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.71]
04 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.33]
05 Armamentarium.esm
06 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
07 Better Cities Resources.esm
08 CM Partners.esm
09 HorseCombatMaster.esm
0A Mart's Monster Mod.esm
0B bookplacing.esp
0C Beautiful_Women_NiceOnly.esp
0D Beautiful_Women_DB_Addon.esp
0E Beautiful_Women_SI.esp
0F Beautiful_Women_Vampires_50.esp
10 Handsome_Gents_Addon.esp
11 Handsome_Gents_DB_Addon.esp
12 Handsome_Gents_SI.esp
13 Handsome_Gents_Vampires_50.esp
14 Handsome_Gents_Bonus.esp
15 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.6]
16 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
17 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
18 Better Cities .esp
19 LoadingScreens.esp
1A All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1B Improved Water.esp
1C HBM.esp
1D Symphony of Violence.esp
1E AmbientTownSounds.esp
1F MIS.esp
20 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
21 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
22 Storms & Sound.esp
23 AWS-Storms & Sound SI.esp
24 WindowLightingSystem.esp
25 AliveWaters.esp
26 Added Realistic NPC's v1.0.esp
27 Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp
28 aaaBorsBedrolls.esp
29 ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
2A Fatality Cam.esp
2B NBB.esp
2C RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.7]
2D RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.5]
2E RAEVWD Imperial City.esp [Version 1.7]
2F Reznod_Mannequin.esp
30 Street Gangs.esp
31 Living Economy.esp
32 Living Economy - Items.esp
33 Cutthroat Merchants.esp
34 Crowded Roads.esp [Version 2.0]
35 HouseMapMarkersOnlyBought.esp
36 Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp
37 AyleidMeteorIronWeaponsBASE.esp
38 Ancient Silver Armor.esp
39 Dragon Knight Armor v. 1.1.esp
3A RustyItems.esp
3B Thieves Arsenal.esp
3C Mounted_Steering.esp
3D Mounted_Spellcasting.esp
3E Mounted_Trampling.esp
3F Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.69]
40 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
41 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]
42 Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]
43 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33]
44 OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]
45 ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp
46 ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp
47 Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
48 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
49 Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
4A Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
4B Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
4C ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp
4D PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp [Version 1.2]
4E PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp [Version 1.2]
4F MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]
50 Auriel's_Retreat.esp [Version 1.1]
51 BeldaElysium.esp
52 BravilSeaDomes.esp
53 CaveOfLostSouls V1.esp
54 Castle_Dunkerlore_V1.esp
55 Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp
56 Forgotten Tomb.esp
57 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
58 Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
59 LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]
5A MountainTower.esp [Version 6.0]
5B Nascosto Isles 3.esp
5C Ruins of Tarnesia.esp [Version 1.0]
5D SkyCastle.esp
5E The Island Of Fire.esp
5F TR_Stirk.esp
60 VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
61 Village of Lily 2.0.esp
62 za_bankmod.esp
63 Arena Blacksmith.esp
64 Knights.esp
65 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
66 Consequences.esp
67 Consequences_Knights.esp
68 TOTF.esp
69 RTT.esp
6A The Lost Spires.esp
6B Blood&Mud.esp
6C Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
6D HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 6.0]
6E xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.4]
6F LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
70 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
71 xulTheHeath.esp
72 MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp
73 XulEntiusGorge.esp
74 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
75 LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp [Version 1.2]
76 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
77 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
78 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
79 Castle_Almgard-V2.esp
7A ForgottenTomb-LostCoast patch.esp
7B xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
7C xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]
7D xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.2]
7E xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
7F xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
80 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
81 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
82 HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp
83 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.2]
84 BeldaElysium-RollingHills patch.esp
85 MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp
86 xulPantherRiver.esp
87 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
88 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.2]
89 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.3]
8A xulBlackwoodForest.esp
8B xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
8C TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
8D KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
8E xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.1]
8F xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
90 Castle_Seaview.esp
91 CastleSeaview+LostCoast Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
92 Open Better Cities FULL.esp
93 Open Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
94 OBCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.esp
95 OBCBravilB&M-Barrowfields patch.esp
96 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
97 Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
98 Bag of Holding.esp [Version 1.5.0]
99 Cliff_BetterLetters.esp [Version 1.1]
9A Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp
9B Leviathan Soulgems.esp
9C Oblivifall - Closing Time.esp [Version 1.0]
9D Oblivifall - Let's Talk!.esp [Version 1.1]
9E P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
9F PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.43]
A0 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
A1 ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp
A2 Storms & Sound - Bank of Cyrodiil.esp
A3 Storms & Sound - Blood&Mud.esp
A4 Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp
A5 Storms & Sound - Better Cities.esp
A6 Quest Award Leveling.esp
A7 Quest Award Leveling - Finger of the Mountain.esp
A8 RealHungerv1.4.esp
A9 RealSleepExtended.esp [Version 2.4.1]
AA Multiple Creature Summoning.esp
AB MidasSpells.esp
AC EnchantmentRestore.esp
AD EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
AE Thievery_Normal_Thrill.esp
AF sycSHOUT.esp [Version 1.02]
B0 Denock Arrows.esp
B1 Marksman Velocity.esp
B2 Marksman Velocity SI.esp
B3 JM's Bar Fights mortal.esp
B4 Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
B5 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
B6 S.P.A.M.esp
B7 Dark Dungeons.esp
B8 Dark Dungeons - SI.esp
B9 TheOubliette.esp
BA Visual Enchantments v1.0.esp
BB Bashed Patch, 0.esp
BC Stirk_Compatibility_Patch(removes ship from anvil harbor).esp
BD Arena_Corpse_check.esp
BE Forgiven_Sins.esp
BF Deadly_Lava.esp
C0 SISewers.esp
C1 Liftoff.esp
C2 Orcv2.esp
C3 Tropical Island.esp
C4 The Below.esp
C5 Dangerous Waters.esp
C6 Furniture Repriced.esp
C7 DragonSlayer.esp
C8 Banes Lair of the Witchking.esp
C9 Plain Sailing.esp
CA Legion Horses.esp
CB CaiusCosades.esp
CC boat.esp

I hope I did that spoiler thing correctly. I use OBMM for my load order, and it looked a lot different than the Wrye Bash list. I'm not exactly sure how to turn the borders off in the .ini. I already had MMMforOOO. I 'upgraded' my MMM to the 3.7b3 Public Release version. I've never used that version of MMM before, so i'm not sure what problems i'll run into, if any.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:33 am

Your OOO needs to be updated to 1.34b5. See the OOO thread to pick that up.

Your MMM looks like it didn't get installed properly. Only one of the files is showing the 3.7pr3 version number, which indicates the others are older versions. I'd highly recommend uninstalling MMM completely, and then build a new OMOD using the 3.7pr3 package, the 3.7BSA file and TheNiceOne's omod script (all available in the MMM thread if you are missing any of them).

Looks like your Cobl could use an update as well.

There are two ini settings for borders:
bBorderRegionsEnabled=0
bEnableBorderRegion=0

edit: take the "/" out of the first spoiler tag, and wrap the load order in your first post with them as well, or just delete it if you wish.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:03 pm

I'm going to upgrade OOO to version 1.34b5 and Cobl as well. As far as building an OMOD, I am completely clueless on how to do that. I only found bEnableBorderRegion in the .ini file. I changed that to 0 anyway, but I still couldn't leave the sewers.

Edit: By the way, what is the latest Cobl version available?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:42 pm

Your Oblivion is updated to 1.2.0416, right? The latest patch? (Game of the Year edition is already updated to this, so don't worry if you have that one).

Cobl has 1.72 version out, and there's an update patch for 1.70 to 1.72 which will probably work to update yours as well.

The ini file you changed: Was that the Oblivion.ini in your "My Documents/My Games/Oblivion" folder or the Oblivion_default.ini in the Oblivion folder itself? Never touch the Oblivion_default.ini, only change the one in My Games.

There are instructions for building the OMOD included with the MMM OMOD file that TheNiceOne created, simple step by step and very, very useful.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:16 am

this is probably a conflict between Stirk and OOO (or another border-editing mod). bBorderRegionsEnabled needs to be set to 0 in the My Documents/My Games/Oblivion/ ini file.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:48 am

Ok. I've upgraded all of the required mods (MMM, OOO and Cobl). I looked at my Oblivion.ini in My Games and didn't see any of those entries. :\ Am I supposed to add them myself? And if it's a conflict between Stirk and OOO, should I delete Stirk? Or does removing the borders fix that problem?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:21 am

Removing the borders should fix the problem.

I don't know why you don't have those entries, though.

Maybe you should rename your INI to BAK and then run the OblivionLauncher.exe to make a new ini, just to be sure?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:59 pm

removing borders will definitely fix this problem, and prevent similar conflicts in the future. do a search for them and create a new ini just to be sure. however, i believe it should be OK to just add that entry.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:46 am

Ok. I only found bEnableBorderRegions in the Oblivion.ini after I made a new one using the OblivionLauncher.exe, which was located under '[Main]'. I manually added the other line after it. I have a question concerning BOSS. Does it actually put the mods in a correct load order? I assume it does, aside from the ones BOSS doesn't recognize. Here is the updated BOSS load order:

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Oblivion.esm
. Note: Masterlist Information: $Revision: 902 $, $Date: 2010-05-06 00:21:38 -0700 (Thu, 06 May 2010) $, $LastChangedBy: pacificmorrowind $

TR_OoT_Main.esm

AWS-Core.esm

Cobl Main.esm
. Note: Do not use Tamrielic Ingredients and COBL at the same time.

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Invent,Scripts,Stats,Relations}}

Mart's Monster Mod.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Factions,Relations,Relev}}

Armamentarium.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Relev}}

Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

CM Partners.esm

HorseCombatMaster.esm

bookplacing.esp

Beautiful_Women_NiceOnly.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Beautiful_Women_DB_Addon.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Beautiful_Women_SI.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Beautiful_Women_Vampires_50.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_Addon.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_DB_Addon.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_SI.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_Vampires_50.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_Bonus.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
. Note: Recommend installing UOP hotfix for additional fixes: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27710
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.CombatStyle,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Stats,C.Climate,C.Light,C.Name,C.Owner,Creatures.Blood,Delev,Factions,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}} and remove the C.Water tag (only exist in older version).
. Note: Remember to use the 'MOBS' version when using Francesco's or FCOM.
. Note: Newest MOBS and non-MOBS versions have the same name.

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
. Note: Remember to use the 'MOBS' version when using Francesco's and FCOM.
. Note: Newest MOBS and non-MOBS versions have the same name.
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Stats,C.Climate,C.Light,C.Name,C.Owner,Delev,Factions,Invent,Names,Relev,Scripts,Stats,Relations}}

Better Cities .esp
. Note: Dummy file to load Better Cities .BSA

LoadingScreens.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics,NoMerge}}

All Natural - Real Lights.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Scripts,Graphics}}
. Note: Do not use with original Real Lights mod.

Improved Water.esp

HBM.esp

Symphony of Violence.esp
. Note: May cause CTDs when used with Deadly Reflex. Merging it into the bashed patch with Wrye Bash *May* fix it.

AmbientTownSounds.esp

MIS.esp

MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp

Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Scripts}}

Storms & Sound.esp
. Note: Use only one Storms and Sound mod file.

AWS-Storms & Sound SI.esp
. Note: Use only one Storms and Sound mod file.

WindowLightingSystem.esp

AliveWaters.esp

Added Realistic NPC's v1.0.esp

Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp

aaaBorsBedrolls.esp

ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
. Note: Deactivate CLocksOfCyrodiil.esp

Fatality Cam.esp
. Note: Consider using the Wrye Bash Bashed Patch tweak option instead.

NBB.esp

RAEVWD Cities.esp

RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp

RAEVWD Imperial City.esp

Reznod_Mannequin.esp

Street Gangs.esp

Living Economy.esp
. Note: Don't use 'Living Economy' and 'Living Economy - SI' together. Pick one.

Living Economy - Items.esp

Cutthroat Merchants.esp

Crowded Roads.esp

HouseMapMarkersOnlyBought.esp

Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp

AyleidMeteorIronWeaponsBASE.esp

Ancient Silver Armor.esp

Dragon Knight Armor v. 1.1.esp

RustyItems.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}}

Thieves Arsenal.esp
. Requires: OBSE.

Mounted_Steering.esp

Mounted_Spellcasting.esp

Mounted_Trampling.esp

Cobl Glue.esp

Cobl Si.esp
. Requires: Shivering Isles expansion.

OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp

Cobl Tweaks.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.ACBS,Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

OOO-Water_Weeds.esp

ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp
. Note: Can be used with either 'ArmamentariumLL.esp' or 'ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp'.

ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
. Note: Can increase the chances of a CTD in a heavily modded game.

Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
. Note: Will work with OOO 'light' but is not compatible with the 'full' installation of OOO. Should be fixed in future versions of OOO.

Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
. Note: Use either 'More Wilderness Life' or 'More Wilderness Life No Gates' but not both.

Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}}
. Conflicts with: Slof's Horses or Slof's Extra Horses.

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp
. Requires: MMM and MMM Gems & Gem Dust
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev}}

ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp

PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp

PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp

OOO-WaterFish.esp

MMM-Cobl.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Invent}}

Auriel's_Retreat.esp

BeldaElysium.esp

BravilSeaDomes.esp

CaveOfLostSouls V1.esp

Castle_Dunkerlore_V1.esp

Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp

Forgotten Tomb.esp

Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIPackages}}

Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp

LetThePeopleDrink.esp

MountainTower.esp

Nascosto Isles 3.esp

Ruins of Tarnesia.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces}}

SkyCastle.esp

The Island Of Fire.esp

TR_Stirk.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}}

VaultsofCyrodiil.esp

Village of Lily 2.0.esp

za_bankmod.esp
. Note: For use with Better Cities use replacing fix for BBC.

Arena Blacksmith.esp

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light,Invent,Names,Relev,Stats}}

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Relations,Relev,Stats}}

Consequences.esp

Consequences_Knights.esp

TOTF.esp

RTT.esp

The Lost Spires.esp

Blood&Mud.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair, NpcFaces}}

Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp

HeartoftheDead.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair}}

xuldarkforest.esp

LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

xulFallenLeafEverglade.esp

LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
. Note: Make sure version is 1.6.3 or later.

Castle_Almgard-V2.esp
. Note: Be sure to use the right version depending on Unique Landscapes Beachs of Cyrodiil being used.

ForgottenTomb-LostCoast patch.esp

xulbravilbarrowfields.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp

xulRollingHills_EV.esp
. Note: Only use one UL Rolling Hills esp

BeldaElysium-RollingHills patch.esp

MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp

xulPantherRiver.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

xulBlackwoodForest.esp

xulCheydinhalFalls.esp

TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

xulAspenWood.esp

xulSkingradOutskirts.esp

Castle_Seaview.esp

CastleSeaview+LostCoast Patch.esp
. Conflicts with: EaglesRest+LostCoast+CastleSeaview Patch.esp

Open Better Cities Full.esp

Open Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp

OBCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.esp

OBCBravilB&M-Barrowfields patch.esp
. Note: Use OBCBravil or OBCBravilB&M but not both at the same time.

Harvest [Flora].esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Scripts}}

Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

Bag of Holding.esp

Cliff_BetterLetters.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Names}}

Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp

Leviathan Soulgems.esp
. Note: if using the abridged version (same name); make sure to be using the latest version (released in 2010) the earlier version had a malformed header tha could cause errors.

Oblivifall - Closing Time.esp

Oblivifall - Let's Talk!.esp

P1DkeyChain.esp

PersuasionOverhaul.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp
. Note: MAY cause CTDs. Cause uncertain despite extensive debugging. Disable if experiencing a persistant crash.

ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp

Storms & Sound - Bank of Cyrodiil.esp
. Note: Using any of the Storms & Sound patches Storms & Sounds.esp. If using any other Storms & Sound file (OBSE-Storms & Sound.esp, EW-Storms & Sound.esp, etc.), it must be renamed to Storms & Sound.esp.

Storms & Sound - Blood&Mud.esp
. Note: Using any of the Storms & Sound patches Storms & Sounds.esp. If using any other Storms & Sound file (OBSE-Storms & Sound.esp, EW-Storms & Sound.esp, etc.), it must be renamed to Storms & Sound.esp.

Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp
. Note: Using any of the Storms & Sound patches Storms & Sounds.esp. If using any other Storms & Sound file (OBSE-Storms & Sound.esp, EW-Storms & Sound.esp, etc.), it must be renamed to Storms & Sound.esp.

Storms & Sound - Better Cities.esp
. Note: Using any of the Storms & Sound patches Storms & Sounds.esp. If using any other Storms & Sound file (OBSE-Storms & Sound.esp, EW-Storms & Sound.esp, etc.), it must be renamed to Storms & Sound.esp.
. Note: Better Cities patch is based off Better Cities.esm and can load above all Better Cities esps.

Quest Award Leveling.esp

Quest Award Leveling - Finger of the Mountain.esp

RealHungerv1.4.esp
. Note: Realistic hunger mods and vampire mods may conflict seriously.

RealSleepExtended.esp

Multiple Creature Summoning.esp

MidasSpells.esp

EnchantmentRestore.esp

EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp

Thievery_Normal_Thrill.esp
. Note: only use one of the 'Worthwhile Thievery' ESPs.

sycSHOUT.esp

Denock Arrows.esp

Marksman Velocity.esp

Marksman Velocity SI.esp

JM's Bar Fights mortal.esp
. Note: Pick and use only 1 of the 2 JM's Bar Fight mod files.

Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
. Note: Use no more than one Timed Block ESP.

DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
. Note: See http://omploader.org/vMmJlbA/DRtestfix.zip for a hotfix for CTD issues.

S.P.A.M.esp
. Note: Use either 'S.P.A.M.esp' or 'S.P.A.M. 100+.esp' but not both together.

Dark Dungeons.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light,Deactivate}}

Dark Dungeons - SI.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light}}

TheOubliette.esp

Visual Enchantments v1.0.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Unrecognised mod files:
Reorder these by hand using your favourite mod ordering utility.
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Unknown mod file: Stirk_Compatibility_Patch(removes ship from anvil harbor).esp
Unknown mod file: Arena_Corpse_check.esp
Unknown mod file: Forgiven_Sins.esp
Unknown mod file: Deadly_Lava.esp
Unknown mod file: SISewers.esp
Unknown mod file: Liftoff.esp
Unknown mod file: Orcv2.esp
Unknown mod file: Tropical Island.esp
Unknown mod file: The Below.esp
Unknown mod file: Dangerous Waters.esp
Unknown mod file: Furniture Repriced.esp
Unknown mod file: DragonSlayer.esp
Unknown mod file: Banes Lair of the Witchking.esp
Unknown mod file: Plain Sailing.esp
Unknown mod file: Legion Horses.esp
Unknown mod file: CaiusCosades.esp
Unknown mod file: boat.esp

I'm not exactly sure where to put the unrecognized mods. Any ideas on load order? I also haven't done anything with the 'Bashed Patch.esp' because i'm not familiar with what it does or how to use it.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:47 am

Ok. Scratch that last posting and load order. Everything is upgraded to where it should be. Now i'm faced with a different problem. Here is my new load order:

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Oblivion.esm
. Note: Masterlist Information: $Revision: 902 $, $Date: 2010-05-06 00:21:38 -0700 (Thu, 06 May 2010) $, $LastChangedBy: pacificmorrowind $

TR_OoT_Main.esm

AWS-Core.esm

Cobl Main.esm
. Note: Do not use Tamrielic Ingredients and COBL at the same time.

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Invent,Scripts,Stats,Relations}}

Mart's Monster Mod.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Factions,Relations,Relev}}

Armamentarium.esm
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Relev}}

Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

CM Partners.esm

HorseCombatMaster.esm

bookplacing.esp

Beautiful_Women_NiceOnly.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Beautiful_Women_DB_Addon.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Beautiful_Women_SI.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Beautiful_Women_Vampires_50.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_Addon.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_DB_Addon.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_SI.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_Vampires_50.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Handsome_Gents_Bonus.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,NoMerge}}

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
. Note: Recommend installing UOP hotfix for additional fixes: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27710
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.CombatStyle,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Stats,C.Climate,C.Light,C.Name,C.Owner,Creatures.Blood,Delev,Factions,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}} and remove the C.Water tag (only exist in older version).
. Note: Remember to use the 'MOBS' version when using Francesco's or FCOM.
. Note: Newest MOBS and non-MOBS versions have the same name.

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
. Note: Remember to use the 'MOBS' version when using Francesco's and FCOM.
. Note: Newest MOBS and non-MOBS versions have the same name.
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.DeathItem,Actors.Stats,C.Climate,C.Light,C.Name,C.Owner,Delev,Factions,Invent,Names,Relev,Scripts,Stats,Relations}}

Better Cities .esp
. Note: Dummy file to load Better Cities .BSA

LoadingScreens.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics,NoMerge}}

All Natural - Real Lights.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Scripts,Graphics}}
. Note: Do not use with original Real Lights mod.

Improved Water.esp

HBM.esp

Symphony of Violence.esp
. Note: May cause CTDs when used with Deadly Reflex. Merging it into the bashed patch with Wrye Bash *May* fix it.

AmbientTownSounds.esp

MIS.esp

MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp

Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Scripts}}

Storms & Sound.esp
. Note: Use only one Storms and Sound mod file.

AWS-Storms & Sound SI.esp
. Note: Use only one Storms and Sound mod file.

WindowLightingSystem.esp

AliveWaters.esp

Added Realistic NPC's v1.0.esp

Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp

aaaBorsBedrolls.esp

ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
. Note: Deactivate CLocksOfCyrodiil.esp

Fatality Cam.esp
. Note: Consider using the Wrye Bash Bashed Patch tweak option instead.

NBB.esp

RAEVWD Cities.esp

RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp

RAEVWD Imperial City.esp

Reznod_Mannequin.esp

Street Gangs.esp

Living Economy.esp
. Note: Don't use 'Living Economy' and 'Living Economy - SI' together. Pick one.

Living Economy - Items.esp

Crowded Roads.esp

HouseMapMarkersOnlyBought.esp

Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp

AyleidMeteorIronWeaponsBASE.esp

Ancient Silver Armor.esp

Dragon Knight Armor v. 1.1.esp

RustyItems.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}}

Thieves Arsenal.esp
. Requires: OBSE.

Mounted_Steering.esp

Mounted_Spellcasting.esp

Mounted_Trampling.esp

Cobl Glue.esp

Cobl Si.esp
. Requires: Shivering Isles expansion.

OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp

Cobl Tweaks.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.ACBS,Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

OOO-Water_Weeds.esp

ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp
. Note: Can be used with either 'ArmamentariumLL.esp' or 'ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp'.

ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Graphics,Invent,Names,Relations,Relev,Scripts,Stats}}

Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
. Note: Use either 'More Wilderness Life' or 'More Wilderness Life No Gates' but not both.

Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}}
. Conflicts with: Slof's Horses or Slof's Extra Horses.

ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp

PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp

PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp

OOO-WaterFish.esp

MMM-Cobl.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Invent}}

Auriel's_Retreat.esp

BeldaElysium.esp

BravilSeaDomes.esp

CaveOfLostSouls V1.esp

Castle_Dunkerlore_V1.esp

Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp

Forgotten Tomb.esp

Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIPackages}}

Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp

LetThePeopleDrink.esp

MountainTower.esp

Nascosto Isles 3.esp

Ruins of Tarnesia.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces}}

SkyCastle.esp

The Island Of Fire.esp

TR_Stirk.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Graphics}}

VaultsofCyrodiil.esp

Village of Lily 2.0.esp

za_bankmod.esp
. Note: For use with Better Cities use replacing fix for BBC.

Arena Blacksmith.esp

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light,Invent,Names,Relev,Stats}}

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Actors.AIData,Actors.AIPackages,Actors.Stats,Delev,Factions,Relations,Relev,Stats}}

Consequences.esp

Consequences_Knights.esp

TOTF.esp

RTT.esp

The Lost Spires.esp

Blood&Mud.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair, NpcFaces}}

Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp

HeartoftheDead.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair}}

xuldarkforest.esp

LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

xulFallenLeafEverglade.esp

LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
. Note: Make sure version is 1.6.3 or later.

Castle_Almgard-V2.esp
. Note: Be sure to use the right version depending on Unique Landscapes Beachs of Cyrodiil being used.

ForgottenTomb-LostCoast patch.esp

xulbravilbarrowfields.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp

xulRollingHills_EV.esp
. Note: Only use one UL Rolling Hills esp

BeldaElysium-RollingHills patch.esp

MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp

xulPantherRiver.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

xulBlackwoodForest.esp

xulCheydinhalFalls.esp

TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

xulAspenWood.esp

xulSkingradOutskirts.esp

Castle_Seaview.esp

CastleSeaview+LostCoast Patch.esp
. Conflicts with: EaglesRest+LostCoast+CastleSeaview Patch.esp

Open Better Cities Full.esp

Open Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp

OBCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.esp

OBCBravilB&M-Barrowfields patch.esp
. Note: Use OBCBravil or OBCBravilB&M but not both at the same time.

Harvest [Flora].esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Scripts}}

Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

Bag of Holding.esp

Cliff_BetterLetters.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Names}}

Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp

Leviathan Soulgems.esp
. Note: if using the abridged version (same name); make sure to be using the latest version (released in 2010) the earlier version had a malformed header tha could cause errors.

Oblivifall - Closing Time.esp

Oblivifall - Let's Talk!.esp

P1DkeyChain.esp

PersuasionOverhaul.esp

ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp

Storms & Sound - Bank of Cyrodiil.esp
. Note: Using any of the Storms & Sound patches Storms & Sounds.esp. If using any other Storms & Sound file (OBSE-Storms & Sound.esp, EW-Storms & Sound.esp, etc.), it must be renamed to Storms & Sound.esp.

Storms & Sound - Blood&Mud.esp
. Note: Using any of the Storms & Sound patches Storms & Sounds.esp. If using any other Storms & Sound file (OBSE-Storms & Sound.esp, EW-Storms & Sound.esp, etc.), it must be renamed to Storms & Sound.esp.

Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp
. Note: Using any of the Storms & Sound patches Storms & Sounds.esp. If using any other Storms & Sound file (OBSE-Storms & Sound.esp, EW-Storms & Sound.esp, etc.), it must be renamed to Storms & Sound.esp.

Storms & Sound - Better Cities.esp
. Note: Using any of the Storms & Sound patches Storms & Sounds.esp. If using any other Storms & Sound file (OBSE-Storms & Sound.esp, EW-Storms & Sound.esp, etc.), it must be renamed to Storms & Sound.esp.
. Note: Better Cities patch is based off Better Cities.esm and can load above all Better Cities esps.

Quest Award Leveling.esp

Quest Award Leveling - Finger of the Mountain.esp

RealHungerv1.4.esp
. Note: Realistic hunger mods and vampire mods may conflict seriously.

RealSleepExtended.esp

Multiple Creature Summoning.esp

MidasSpells.esp

EnchantmentRestore.esp

EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp

Thievery_Normal_Thrill.esp
. Note: only use one of the 'Worthwhile Thievery' ESPs.

sycSHOUT.esp

Denock Arrows.esp

Marksman Velocity.esp

Marksman Velocity SI.esp

JM's Bar Fights mortal.esp
. Note: Pick and use only 1 of the 2 JM's Bar Fight mod files.

Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
. Note: Use no more than one Timed Block ESP.

DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
. Note: See http://omploader.org/vMmJlbA/DRtestfix.zip for a hotfix for CTD issues.

S.P.A.M.esp
. Note: Use either 'S.P.A.M.esp' or 'S.P.A.M. 100+.esp' but not both together.

Dark Dungeons.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light,Deactivate}}

Dark Dungeons - SI.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light}}

TheOubliette.esp

Visual Enchantments v1.0.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

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Unrecognised mod files:
Reorder these by hand using your favourite mod ordering utility.
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Unknown mod file: The Below.esp
Unknown mod file: Tropical Island.esp
Unknown mod file: Orcv2.esp
Unknown mod file: Furniture Repriced.esp
Unknown mod file: Liftoff.esp
Unknown mod file: Dangerous Waters.esp
Unknown mod file: SISewers.esp
Unknown mod file: Deadly_Lava.esp
Unknown mod file: Banes Lair of the Witchking.esp
Unknown mod file: DragonSlayer.esp
Unknown mod file: Plain Sailing.esp
Unknown mod file: Legion Horses.esp
Unknown mod file: boat.esp
Unknown mod file: CaiusCosades.esp
Unknown mod file: Forgiven_Sins.esp
Unknown mod file: Arena_Corpse_check.esp
Unknown mod file: Stirk_Compatibility_Patch(removes ship from anvil harbor).esp

I noticed there were a few .esp's in there that might cause CTD's, so I deleted them (a baker for Cobl, MMM - Additional NPC Variants or something like that, MMM - G&G, and a few others I can't remember). Nothing I have at the moment was dependant on them. I noticed Deadly Reflex and Symphony Of Violence were mentioned as a possible CTD combination, but together they worked fine, at least initially. I'm mmor than willing to get rid of Dealy Reflex if I have to. Anyway, my problem is after I pick my face, eye color, etc. and get to the prison intro, all of these messages for new quests pop up. It seems there's too manyh at once maybe, and that could be crashing the game. I tried this with DR selected and not selected, and still kept crashing. Maybe I need to deactivate a mod (or mods) until after the intro? Another problem I seem to be having is my load order appears different. I move them in OBMM to how I want it, and it seems like when I open Wrye Bash, it goes back to the original way (the way listed according to the list above). I know when I first installed Wrye Bash it asked if I wanted to disable the option to keep them in that order. I said yes. I'm not sure what's going on. On the bright side, I figured out how to use the 'spoiler' option.

Edit: I was also curious to know how I add mods to the BOSS masterlist, if that's possible.

Edit: Another idea I just had is to disable some of the quest mods so they wouldn't display their messages at the very beginning. Maybe give it some time to recooperate, so to speak. I can fix saved games in Wrye Mash, but Wrye Bash is a bit different. If this would clear up the issue, please let me know how do fix the saves in WB as well.

Edit: Ok. The game apparently autosaved during these messages, so I started it from there. It seemed to have worked thus far. Only thing is, I still can't leave the sewers. I get the message telling me that I cannot go that way, and must turn back. As mentioned above, I added the missing entry to the Oblivion.ini found in My Games/Oblivion:

[MAIN]
bBorderRegionsEnabled=0
bEnableBorderRegion=0

I also found this topic on the subject: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-728888.html, but I don't know if it's relevant to my situation, or even what it means. Any ideas?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:23 am

Add the first one in the [General] section, right after: bExternalLODDataFiles=1

Add the second one to [Main] as the first entry in that section.

BOSS masterlist is a text file, and you can add entries yourself in any text editor. You should also report any unrecognized mods in the BOSS thread, where you can also find links to the latest versions of the masterlist.

There's also a tool for Word 2007 or 2010 the Boss Masterlist Manager that automates updates of the masterlist and allows you to easily add your own files to the list.

You should look up some "quest mod delayers" on TESNexus. They will prevent some of the larger mods from starting automatically and allow you to sort of "discover" the quests in a more natural way.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:00 am

Ok. Does it matter which entry goes where? I was just going to use it as is, with the 1st one in the General section.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:40 am

I assume there's some reason for the sections, and you said that having them both in [Main] didn't work. The actual order in each section shouldn't matter, but them being in the right section probably does.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:29 am

That seemed to do the trick. Now off I go to face my next Oblivion issue, whatever that may be. Thank you all for your help.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:49 pm

By the way, showler, I did find a mod called 'Quest Delayers' by statttis on TESNexus, but it only contained a quest delayer for the Heart Of The Dead. On the other hand, there are some delayers created by Aellis for The Lost Spires and Real Sleep Extended found on PES. I've added a few other realism mods so i'm going to start a new game.