crash related to arrows... : IV

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:55 am

hi friends:

about 80 hrs into a remarkably stable load order - really enjoying playing for long stretches now - easily get a 90-minute game some nights. one thing that seems to be trouble though...

i've got weird things happening with arrows.

i'll have a few in inventory - 14 or so, doesn't matter - and in the inventory screen it shows that i have the arrows equipped. then, when i go to the playing screen, the weapon icon shows the bow, but only 1 arrow. if i try to shoot - it crashes. if i try to deselect the arrow, it crashes. sometimes i have an item called "ptDummyQuiver" and sometimes i don't. it only happens occasionally, so i don't worry about it too much.

any idea what mod or conflict causes this?

thanks!

here's the load order:

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Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 Windfall.esm
02 Jog_X_Mod.esm
03 ScreenEffects.esm
04 All Natural Base.esm [Version 0.9.9]
05 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
06 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
07 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
08 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
09 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
0A Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
0B TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
0C FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
0D Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]
0E Artifacts.esm [Version 1.1]
0F Better Cities Resources.esm
10 CM Partners.esm
11 HorseCombatMaster.esm
12 UnnecessaryViolence.esm
13 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.5]
14 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
15 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
++ Shivering OOO.esp
16 Better Cities .esp
17 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
18 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
19 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
1A Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1B FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1C Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
1D All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1E All Natural.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1F All Natural - SI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp [Version Final]
20 Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
++ Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp [Version 0.1]
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
21 MIS Low Wind.esp
22 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
23 WindowLightingSystem.esp
24 ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
25 diversegrasses.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.78]
26 Reznod_Mannequin.esp
27 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 4.0.1]
28 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.4]
29 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.0.2]
++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp
2A Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp
2B Thieves Arsenal.esp
++ Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp
2C Armamentium female.esp
2D kuerteeHorseCommands.esp
2E Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
2F Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
30 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
31 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
32 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
33 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
34 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
35 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
++ ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp [Version 1.35]
36 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
37 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
38 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
39 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Reavers.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3A Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ ReteroX_BBEvilSkeletons.esp
3B TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3C T.I.E4MODS.esp [Version 0.32]
++ T.I.E4MODSOOO+FCOM.esp [Version 0.1]
++ T.I.E4MODSFCOM+COBL.esp [Version 0.1]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
3D Artifacts.esp [Version 1.1]
** ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp
3E BrotherhoodRenewed.esp [Version 1.0]
3F (DC) Sutch Reborn.esp
40 Kragenir's Death Quest.esp
41 KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
42 GlenvarCastle.esp
43 LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]
44 KragenirsDeathQuest-LetThePeopleDrink patch.esp
45 Ruins of Tarnesia.esp [Version 1.0]
46 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.3.1]
47 thievery.esp
48 thievery - EE patch.esp [Version 1.0]
49 VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.4]
4A Windfall.esp
4B Knights.esp
4C Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
** EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp
4D RTT.esp
4E RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp [Version 2.0]
4F The Lost Spires.esp
50 AFK_Weye.esp
51 Blood&Mud.esp
52 Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp [Version 1.0]
53 Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
54 The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp
55 MannimarcoRevisited.esp
56 MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp [Version 0.1]
57 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
58 FCOM_DulanCult.esp [Version 0.9.9]
59 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
++ FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp [Version 0.9.9]
5A ElsweyrAnequina.esp
5B road+bridges.esp [Version 4.5.4]
5C HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 6.2]
5D xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.4]
5E LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
5F xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
60 xulTheHeath.esp
61 MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp
62 XulEntiusGorge.esp
63 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
64 LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp [Version 1.2]
65 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
66 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
67 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
68 SutchReborn-LostCoast patch.esp
69 VeronaHouse-SutchReborn patch.esp
6A OOO-UL-Sutch patch.esp
6B KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp
6C xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
6D xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]
6E xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.2]
6F xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
70 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
71 KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.esp
72 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
73 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
74 HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp
75 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.2]
76 MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp
77 KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp
78 xulPantherRiver.esp
79 Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.esp
7A xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
7B xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.2]
7C xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.3]
7D xulBlackwoodForest.esp
7E xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
7F Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
80 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.1]
81 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
82 NRB4+UL-II+LtPD Patch.esp [Version 3.0]
83 Castle_Wolfspike.esp
84 bartholm.esp
85 Bartholm-Panther River Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
86 bartholm - EE patch.esp [Version 1.0]
87 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
88 Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 CT.esp
89 Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 CT.esp
8A Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp [Version 1.1]
8B P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
8C Enhanced Vegetation [150%].esp
8D Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.1.1]
8E RealisticFatigue.esp
8F RealisticHealth.esp
90 attack and hide medium v2.0.esp
91 StealthOverhaul.esp
92 SM Bounty.esp [Version 1.22c]
93 CoblDeathFix.esp [Version 1.20]
94 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
95 Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.esp
96 RealisticLeveling.esp
++ DMC Stylish - Specialanims.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.78]
97 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVNoSIVersion_Core_still_required.esp [Version 10.5DV-D]
98 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
99 bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp [Version 10.5EV-D]
9A bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.993]
9B Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
9C Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp
9D BCBravilB&MFULL-Barrowfields patch.esp
9E Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp
9F BCCheydinhalFULLB&M-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
A0 Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp
A1 Better Imperial City.esp
A2 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
A3 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2]
A4 MotionBlur.esp
A5 ScreenControls.esp
++ Visually Realistic Lava.esp
A6 UnnecessaryViolence.esp
A7 NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 0.9.9]
A8 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
A9 Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp [Version 2.5]
AA Streamline 3.1.esp

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:21 am

You could check it yourself with http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16704 or http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21862.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:51 pm

3A Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] ............................you should really update this.

Duke Patrick just added some new quiver related functions, but that doesn't sound like an arrow from that and the "pt" items is definitely not his.

Unless it's an interaction between it and Crossbows of Cyrodiil.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:26 am

3A Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] ............................you should really update this.

Duke Patrick just added some new quiver related functions, but that doesn't sound like an arrow from that and the "pt" items is definitely not his.

Unless it's an interaction between it and Crossbows of Cyrodiil.

Yeah - it was happening before the latest Duke Patrick update, and it was happening before I added Crossbows.

I'll try using Refskope, but like I said, the problem is so intermittent that it might not be present.

The best I can diagnose is that it is somehow related to Unnecessary Violence off-hand weapon on back. I think it takes the quiver slot to display your off-hand weapon, and sometimes in my game it is not switching back...so somehow my bow looks to be firing my off-hand sword - which there is no path for, so it crashes.

Does that make sense? I'll swap the .ini to turn that UV feature off and see what happens. I'm guessing if that is the problem there isn't a fix - it'll just wait for UV 2 - which is a very exciting project!

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:53 am

It's definitely UV. It's an issue that sometimes happens with the weapononback feature (since it has to pretend to be a quiver). Just go into the ini and set shieldonback to 0 and the problem should go away (make sure you have your weapon drawn in the save game before you do it.)

HeX