i came up with a very weird idea. what if, oblivion is actually Fallout 5 thousand years after the nuclear apocalypse . the elves are slightly mutated humans, ogres are super mutants, argoinians and khajits are vastly mutated humans, and orcs are super mutants also. magic is like mass effect biotics, and the only reason you dont find evidence of the past culture is because, well, its from thousands of years ago. if humans suddenly up and left for mars, in a thousand years, you would have to look really hard to find any evidence of us. in five thousand years, you will find nothing. it will be buried under forests, and even plants would adapt to the radiation in five thousand years. really, plants will grow about 10 years after a nuke strike. and the continents have shifted a bit, and the lost aldmeris is the last remaining ruins of human pre-nuke human civilization. dont ask how i came up with that.

It's a nice theory on the surface, but the details don't fit, particularly where it comes to the specifics of the appearances of the existing Aldmeri and Dwemeri ruins, as well as other ruins. Also, vampires and werebeasts (lycanthropes).

You could explain vamps and weres - but the cosmology is totally differrent as well as the presence of Magica coming from the sun, etc - I think Tamriel is about 6,000yrs old so the timing is reasonable.

I did consider something like that but not on Old Earth - rather sleepers achieving planetfall after eons-long space voyaging or Universe-hopping. That would make more sense to me. Move over Noah's Ark.

Are we seriously discussimng this? I don't think that Bethesda were thinking that far ahead when they started The Elder Scrolls.

lol - Do you not think MK has widened the parameters just a bit with his Loveletters and Pelinal Whitestrake of the laser arm ... ?

a dadric mini-gun would be really cool!

I meant they weren't thinking far ahead to their fallout games. Not far ahead to the future.

both are rooted in metaphysics rather than earth technology. same goes for spaceships and all the other futuristic advancements. theres a difference between Auxiliary Semi-Shockpoint Nilgularity and Solid Rocket Boosters.

It's far more likely that Blizzard's Warcraft and Starcraft universes are the same place at different times, than it is that TES and Fallout are the same place. Especially if you're putting TES after Fallout instead of before it.

The way they put together stuff bit-by-bit and release after release bears up your position. But there have been statements by Devs that tell us they have a truckload of stuff that they have not released.

It is likely given the starting date of ES that the Warhammer link-up between Fantasy and Arcane future tech with their fantasy world cut off in an obscure and perilous corner of a futuristic Universe, Might and Magic etc that kind of thing has been considered from time to time and put to one side. That does not mean that it is not there with a fairly broad and precise structural framework - based on Phlogilistic Metaparlogic, whatever. And beware of the Monkeys.

The way I take it is that we are being given the points of view as current in whatever time each release is set. That means that I am always looking to the next step and the 1,749 thereafter, etc.

yes eventually the world of oblivion will change, maybe they would not need gun powder , but is likely that they might create magic guns for the people that dont use magic remember that many people when they attack dont use magic at all ,they use swords knives, and there r some adventures that would welcome some form of weapon that would have the same capability of a staff with a more faster firing rate( magic bow), now imagine that regular people could learn how to enchant just think of the possibilities of creation, an aerial means of transportation one man boat that wont require much learning and could take you anywhere, the possibilities r there is just that the knowledge is just for a few , and those few dont think for themselves but rather become soldier against necromancers or study all their lives to learn rather than create so the world of oblivion has everything just look on all the gaps of the world n its people n u can c the potential for a more advance future they allready have the tools energy (magic), swords(metal crafting), etc...

If Tamriel ever industrializes, they will mass produce magic, not staplers.

Quick thing about that, it does allow for a simmilar-but-not-the-same thing to our history. Where you hacve Rome, then dip into the middle ages then start crawling back up. Not the same, but at least a simillar curve.

As for how it will advance in the future, I say that either Prow is right that it will be strange and alien to us (but of course if that happens in the games it will be over time and several installments) or, of course, it all goes to hell and we get what it looks like we're getting.

Cyrodiil to me looks like Africa, so Cyrodiil would be like Africa and the rest..... don't know

Really? Africa? It reminds me more of Medieval Europe... I wonder why...

Here is what I would imagine to happen.

Keep in mind that technological development depends almost entirely on the current political situation. An era of civil war and collapse will yield slow advance focusing almost entirely on war and defense (for example, post roman europe where most advance was in horse breeding, for war horses, sword and other weapon advancement, armor, and castle construction) If you have a few strong powers but they fight a lot you get some pretty swift developments in military technology (that in turn lead to advances in other technology) the best example of this would be the first half of last century. Then if you have a time of relative peace coupled with strong political powers your development tends to go along the lines of convenience -better farming equipment, household conveniences, automobiles, lighting, and so forth.

So now with this in mind, to speculate on the future tech in Tamrial we must first look at the political future. Personally I would say you are going to experience something of a dark age. The empire may well be done for -it may claim to exist, but in reality have little influence beyond the IC as the other kings and counts and all just do whatever they want. In this unstable world, the mages guild will loose much of its power and authority. It won't be able to maintain its power without imperial backing, and may well have retreat to something like a monastic state to avoid collapsing completely. This will result in an explosion in necromancy and hedge-wizardry. In general, everyman technology and quality of life will see a sharp decline, much of what is now will be lost, or at least isolated to certain areas. My guess would be the nords would handle this the best -and become something of raiders attacking the other weakened provinces and petty kings.

Now if this DOESN'T happen, then I would actually say Morrowind may see the most advancement. Why? Well, they just experienced a BIG change. What I am thinking most of is the prohibition of slavery. These guys are used to having free labor, and now that that's gone they are not going to be so keen on doing all this hard work or *paying* people to do it, so morrowind could potentially see a great increase in technology in the future. However, if things go bad there is no reason to believe slavery wouldn't return.

So my theory is that Tamriel 300 years from OBL may well look like tamriel 500 years *before* OBL.

It probably won't change very much.

Its like the Lord of the Rings. The technology level have been the same since the world was created, even deteriorated.
The only change has been new nations forming and social reforms.

Todd got owned http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MedievalEuropeanFantasy

Ya, it probably wouldn't change much....
Maybe it's better that way...