well you explained it much better than I did, my mind is jelly ATM just finishing up finals and am just trying to fast type while tabbing out of things. Trust me I want this game to be GREAT, I am one of the lead salesmen at my local gamestop and we have 3x the preorders for this game cuz its the game we mainly push, and its cuz im supper pumped for it.

u good sir got the point the OP was making

you didnt answer my question. did you or did you not play as SVER?

@Aerogrant i dont want this to be locked cuz of getting off topic but no more 40 man raids come to mind, decreasing the xp required for the first 60 lvls, lowering the price on mounts, making raids PUG able, those are just some of the things that come to mind

This game looks to have been thoroughly inspected for game play at all levels as the developers have stated. With the ranking system I can't see how someone could legitimately complain when playing with same ranked people. Also, I feel this game has not really been marketed to a large audience at the this time. So the gamers you will initially be seeing are more interested in play something unique which I think we all can agree upon here is definitely unique. So I'm not seeing some large noob effect on this game you are talking about.

I'd rather not argue about WoW on an FPS forum, but... if that's your idea of complexity, I've got news for you, and so does a multi-billion* dollar company known as Blizzard entertainment.



*Pretty sure the value of the company has broken the multi-billion mark.

thank you for a non flaming answer and I hope you are right

and yes I was SVER but by u saying "you were SVER werent you" you showed that you are one of the QQers that werent good enough to push up and sat behind the red line crying the maps were OP

I am not worried, between the long play testing and since they can use necvars to quickly update. Just because people complain doesn't make them right.

As I recall a dev say its not balanced til everyone is complaining equally. Or something to that degree.

while i somewhat agree with the op. i think these devs have a good track record of keeping a well balanced game.
and this thread was not needed as the game isnt out yet so none of this even matters so far.


but it has happened in some games but the biggest problem isnt the complaints that cause changes to be made. it the devs making changes in the wrong way to deal with the complaints.

take crysis 2 on 360 there have been alot of complaints about the feline,scarab,scar. all being overpowered.
but most of the complainers that say they are over powered use the fact they die from it as evidence.
dieing from a weapon doesnt allways mean it's overpowered.

now not i gave 3 guns felin scarab scar the 3 most used guns in the game people are going to use those obviously because they are full auto and traditional weapon types people are accustomed too. this makes them the most used weather they were actuall op or up hence more people are going too die from them.

they ended up giving a buff to the k volt wich is an energy weapon something people arent accustomed to using so of course less people use it meaning less kills.

so we buffed 1 gun and nerfed 3 guns. so isted of having 3 most used guns we have 1 most used gun once evryone figures it out.

thats azz backwards. lol


the only real fix for this is for players too be honest with themselves and their complaints and dont call something op just because you die from it to much.
and for devs too play their games more often post release and do the same.

These topics often remind me of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect.

Oftentimes the bad players in a community assume they are doing as good as they possibly can, and anyone better is being cheap or cheating in some way or another. On the other hand, the good players in a community see how good legit players can be and think of themselves as bad by comparison.

The moment someone starts talking about how good they are and how bad others are, I start to assume that they think too highly of them-self. There are always people above you who can crush you in the same way you crush newbies.

But anyway, I see no risk of SD nerfing their game into an uncompetitive mess. SD has competitive roots. They started in the competitive mod community as the clan Earthquakers. Won a ton of tournaments. Many of the devs are clearly interested in playing the game competitively. They are going to do their best to keep the game fun in those circles while still keeping it as approachable as possible, since that was one of their goals from the start. The two are not mutually exclusive unless handled poorly.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here.

- Naxxaramas wasn't even close to being as difficult as it was at level 60 - the worst part was if someone didn't LoS Sapphiron's frost breath correctly with an ice block.
- Obsidian Sanctum outside of 3 Drake was a joke. 3 Drakes required a bit of effort from tanks, but aside from that the most difficult part was avoiding the void zones - which became even easier once Blizzard change their color to dark blue.
- Malygos was an enjoyable fight, but it couldn't hold a candle to vanilla's Onyxia raids. Wasn't very difficult after the first few attempts either.
- When Ulduar came out I was so excited, as it was actually challenging. But sure enough, week after week, patches continued to roll out lowering a boss's health, another's damage, and so on. Some of these were also fights my guild had on farm status already, and we weren't even the top guild on the server.

Ulduar was the last straw for me, and after weeks of consecutive nerfing I decided it was time to call it quits. That, coupled with many of the fights in raids were becoming so simplistic that they were regularly being pugged is what turned me off of the game. I'll give you Sunwell Plateau from Burning Crusade though - that raid was amazing.

And the things I've heard about Cataclysm... I'll just say I remember when it was standard to grind for days to make enough gold for that first 60% mount at level 40.

EDIT: Oh, and I've played as a main tank, ranged dps, melee dps, and healer, so I've got a pretty wide perspective when it comes to the game's difficulty as a whole.

That why I said legitimately complain.

uuhhhhh.....no.

"newbs", "noobs", "tears of anguish", "slaughtered", "less capable", "elite".

no...this thread was not to express Op's concerns about nerfing. this thread was for him to insult people he considers to be beneath him and for him to establish his self proclaimed title of 'elite'. And honestly, it is B.S. because this guy obviously played for a faction that had overpowered maps and guns. Literally, one of the developers said in a podcast that his personal opinion was that faction was OP.
And second, if the vast majority of people are complaining, then there must be some level of truth behind it. "stereotypes" dont just get formed out of the blue. there is a reason why they say asian people are good at math but very slow drivers. lol

Regardless of any other games and any other problems, I just really doubt that Splash Damage would ever patch things based of whining. I get where your coming from SUK, but there is probably nothing to worry about and Brink will turn out great :].

This guy gets it. While I don't agree with the OP's tone and how he's referring to the "complainers", I do agree with the concept. And this post explains my view perfectly.

+1 for sure.

the point of this wasnt for me to talk about being "elite" because I dont think I am however if you wish to bring up that you thought we were OP than why is it we continued to dominate after being repeatedly nerfed??? I truly hope I play against you because it will be fun to see how that goes. Even though I am pretty positive i know how it will go down

This gone way past locking time :meh: