Despite my harsh words earlier, I actually agree. It would be fine with me if the Empire were every bit as strong and vibrant in the next installment as it was in the previous installments. I just don't want my character to be forced - yet again - to help them.

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Hahahaha. Boy, more control and a more powerful situation. That makes sense.

Anyway I'm personally opposed to the Empire just because of the way it stifles the cultures of individual countries. We're unlikely to see another Daggerfall that lets us travel all over Tamriel any time soon, so why worry about long distance travel?

Though the intro of Redguard showed that the organized empire couldn't do much against the Redguard armies until the country was split by a civil war. The Imperial Legions were almost never conquerers of locations, the Numidium did most of that. They're a guarding force that rarely gets into large scale conflicts.

Even at that, the empire and the legions are too large to collapse overnight. In disarray, they still will have large pockets of organization. A legion commander with his troops could build their own kingdom wherever they are and become a new city-state. In our ancient world, armies were often used for construction projects more than fighting.

Activating the Numidium, killing Dagoth Ur (or not), and killing Mankar (or not) caused even more subversive damage to the Empire than its enemies had. We actually see that its enemies were its supporting structure, and doom was certain, in either outcome.

It was a police-state, after all.

HATE :flame: :flame: :flame:

words can not begin to describe how much I loath the empire and all that it stands for, I hate their false gods, I hate their emperors....etc

they are meddlesome people who need to learn to respect other cultures and to leave everyone else alone.

they want everyone to think like them, and talk like them, which shows a huge shortage of insight and a massive sense of fear and insecurity, when the empire falls it will be the greatest day in the history of the ES world.

After playing Oblivion I decided that I do like the Empire. But I'm a bigger fan of Morrowind and the Dunmer than I ever will be of Cyrodiil and the Empire overall.

I met Uriel, Martin and Akatosh and I liked them pretty well. I can confirm at least one of their false gods is real and at least two of their emperors are decent human beings.

Honestly, you sound like one of those people who wants government out of your life, but at some point people's houses catch on fire, or a thief breaks in, or demonic beings from a parallel dimension begin swarming into your town and slaughtering the innocents. In times like these, the stability of a strong central government with a disciplined military has its finer points.

I concur. Plus, I would imagine there'd be more decent emperors. The only nutty one I can think of is Pelagius.

By most accounts, when you read the history of the Emperors of Tamriel most were simply not that bad. In fact a small majority were more than decent. A handful were truly universally loved and well regarded as doing great things for the people of Tamriel.

The Empire has certainly not been an "evil empire". While there may be better possible forms of government, the Empire is relatively benign and about the worst tyranny that's even been imposed on any of its citizens are excessive taxes.

I have nothing against "imperials" as a race, even martin was pretty decent, BUT the idea of the empire as a whole is something I hate, because their central creed is that the strong can do whatever they want and the weak must be assimilated, in the end the empire ends up destroying many cultures.
I'm not saying all cultures are great, but some of them are so much better than the empire which makes losing them a tragedy of epic proportions.

I don't see how a strong central government helps with your house on fire or a thief breaking in. What would a central government even do in those situations? And a centralized military command doesn't help when the daedra are coming out anywhere and everywhere, as a message would have to reach the central government and then they'd have to respond with the troops, making their help almost a waste of time.

I think it would be pretty cool if we have four main groups in Tamriel. This could be Argonia and Elsywr, Daggerfall and Cyrodiil, High elfs and wood elfs, and dark elfs all by their self, or maybe ending their bitter rivarly with argonians and just allying with them, this could maybe give the rise to the dwemer, who could be hiding in an underground civilization.
But I hate the empire, I hope cyrodiil gets a mass invasion, and other provences are fighting to increase their borders.

only a 41% approval rating? thats pretty low chancellor ocato- best to be mindful of those upcoming midterm elections

I think it is time for a new empire to arise just move the lore around yata yat add a few hundred years they learn to use horse and sheilds with spears i combat beter comabt forms. You know what I mean MON!!!!!!!

LET THE ARGONIAN NORD ALIANCE OF HIRCINE AND MYSELF COMENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haven't you read the Infernal City? Ocato is old news... the emperor Titus Mede rules Cyrodill.

And he's a [censored] bag.

Yeah, he'll go far.

he probably will, if the penitus Oculus is as talented as the book says thay are.

.... do I like WHAT ?

LOL

The Empire is an evil government that conquered other countries for no good reason whatsoever.

Even worse, they are portrayed in a way that is extremely unrealistic.

As if they had no motive whatsoever to actually conquer all their neighbours.