I have a feeling a dragon break is something Bethesda will be a bit more frugal with.

I mean, a dragon break happened when Red Mountain erupted, yet not a one in sight (figuratively, of course ) when a MOON SLAMS INTO AN ENTIRE PROVINCE?

I believe the dragon break is a really useful plot device so that multiple outcomes are all possible, and as such it is not to be used liberally.

Well, the Nords are doing very well last I heard. Wasn't there some point in time where the Nords acquired plenty of land that had originally belonged to High Rock and Hammerfell? Plus, the High Elves seem to be reviving their imperialist ways. And of course, there's the Argonians.

I do wish they'd hurry up with that damn book. It sure is taking them a long time.

You mean "him". Bethesda isn't writing any novels, Greg Keyes is. And it's only been a year since The Infernal City anyway. How do you think fans of the A Song Of Ice And Fire series feel?

No, I mean "they". Bethesda isn't writing the novel, but it's their property, and no doubt they're looking over Keyes' shoulder at all times.

Uhh...the only time we saw the dragon break was in TESII. Lie Rock slamming down on Morrowind was just the love of Vivec dying, making it so his power could no longer sustain the falling pewp (yes, Lie Rock is a giant piece of poo, not the moons known as Secunda and Massur). If a dragon break occurred, time would have gone funky, like what happened in TESII. What happened in MW was doomed to happen from the start, pretty much.

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Uhh...the only time we saw the dragon break was in TESII.
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Not totally correct:
[quote name='Where were you when the Dragon Broke?"]1E1200-2208 The Dragon Break

Scholar-priests of the Alessian Order tamper with the Dragon God of Time.

A fanatical sect of the Alessian Order, the Maruhkati Selective, becomes frustrated by ancient Aldmeri traditions still present within the theological system of the Eight Divines. Specifically, they hated any admission that Akatosh, the Supreme Spirit, was indisputably also Auriel, the Elven High God.

Newly invented rituals were utilized to disprove this theory, to no avail. Finally, the secret masters of the Maruhkati Selective channeled the Aurbis itself to mythically remove those aspects of the Dragon God they disapproved of. A staff or tower appeared before them. The secret masters danced on it until it writhed and trembled and spoke its protonymic.

The tower split into eight pieces and Time broke. The non-linearity of the Dawn Era had returned.[/quote]

Although I'm not quite sure what make me believe the volcano erupting caused a dragon break. I swear something like that happened...

Edit: It seems [src="http://www.imperial-library.info/content/dragon-break-red-mountain"]this[/url] Forum Scholar Guild article was what made me believe that there was a dragon break at the mountain, when the Tribunal ascended to God-Hood and the Dwemer disappeared, not to mention the quote from Where were you when the Dragon Broke?:
[quote]Do you mean, where were the Khajiit when the Dragon Broke? R'leyt tells you where: recording it. 'One thousand eight years,' you've heard it. You think the Cyro-Nordics came up with that all on their own. You humans are better thieves than even Rajhin! While you were fighting wars with phantoms and giving birth to your own fathers, it was the Mane that watched the ja-Kha'jay, because the moons were the only constant, and you didn't have the sugar to see it. We'll give you credit: you broke Alkosh something fierce, and that's not easy. Just don't think you solved what you accomplished by it, or can ever solve it. You did it again with Big Walker, not once, but twice! Once at Rimmen, which we'll never learn to live with. The second time it was in Daggerfall, or was it Sentinel, or was it Wayrest, or was it in all three places at once? Get me, Cyrodiil? When will you wake up and realize what really happened to the Dwarves?[/quote]

I meant in-game...but if we count the universe, we need to include Vivec when he became a god, and a bunch of other stuff that happened in the past. Okay, so it seems you are not that informed of what a dragon-break is, well here's the simplified low down.

A dragon break is what it sounds, the dragon breaking, specifically Akatosh. Because Akatosh is time, when he "breaks" that means time is thrown into a complete cluster [censored]. With Lie Rock falling, time was not sent into a period of cluster [censored]. However, when TESII occurred, time was sent into cluster [censored] as there were multiple Numidiums, when there really is only 1. Time was also sent into cluster [censored] when Vivec became a god, because he also changed his past to make him a god the whole time before. What happened with the Maruhkati Selective, similar instance; time was thrown into cluster [censored].

Again, the moon crashing in the book is NOT a dragon break. What happened in TESII, the Tribunal, and The Maruhka Selective was.

The interview with him would seem to indicate it isn't quite that bad. Kind of like how Hasbro owns Forgotten Realms, but they pretty much let R.A. Salvatore do what he's going to do within reason. With excellent results I might add. Drizzt forever! :mohawk:

In regards to the number of Dragon Breaks and their relation to all things: I may not understand them fully, but it would seem to me that there are both several of them and none of them at once, since they screw up time to begin with, so the rules kind of go out the window. Kind of what enables multiple timelines with different uses/last moments of Numidium.

Or not? I don't know, this lore stuff makes my head want to break sometimes.

I don't think you read my initial post correctly. I know perfectly well what a Dragon Break is. I was pointing out that a Dragon Break isn't the sort of thing that they would use like they've used it in the past (to conveniently place things so they don't have to explain what really happened), and that Dragon Breaks usually happen when very powerful events occur (Vivec and his buds becoming gods, for example, or Numidium being created/the mantella being put in). The only thing I WAS mistaken on (although I remember just fine right now how Dragon Breaks really work. Its damned 1 AM here, man) was assuming that most powerful events cause Dragon Breaks (I blame that on Vivec ascending to God-Hood. I forgot he went back in time and retconned his existence).

But remember that the Dragon Break's place as a plot device could just as easily have allowed it to be used for the giant glob of crap destroying one eight of the continent, whether the writers liked it or not. Do not forget that CHIM has been used in the same fashion (although only once and in a small way, but my point stands. Retcons don't make sense, but that doesn't mean they aren't used when called for).

I've never understood the need for Vivec to do that in the first place. Didn't save him from losing his power after the Nerevarine showed up and took down four gods. And why didn't the other two, or Dagoth Ur for that matter, do the same thing? Assuming they didn't.

I'm sure a war would unite Skyrim.

I'm betting on an invasion at some point led by the Ka Po' Tun with allies in the form of the Tang Mo (though they are possibly disgruntled). They will likely make a beachhead in Morrowind before confronting the Argonians to the south and the Nords and Cyrodiils to the west. I suspect the Argonians and Hist will either hold their own against the invaders or reconcile with them if they perceive a greater enemy in the form of the Aldmeri Dominion or New Imperial Empire. Skyrim could possibly see a rematch at Pale Pass, probably without the Cyrodiils, however (and against tiger-dragons, unfortunately). I don't really think the Maomer or Sload would become involved, if they do, they'd probably side with the Akaviri, especially if the Maomer are warring again with Summerset Isle. Hammerfell will probably be united under the Crowns, but I wouldn't be so sure that High Rock, Skyrim, or Elsweyr will be consolidated.

And that was what I was highlighting. Powerful events doesn't necessary involve or cause dragon breaks. But, when one does happen, it is a powerful event.

ALL HAIL THE HIGH ELVES

all hail the high elves.... all hail the high elves.... all hail the high elves.... all hail the high elves.... *massive crowd repeats*


:P

Dark Elves.

elaborate, if you may.

Does anyone remember the Wild Hunt? No enemy would be able to control Valenwood.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Wild_Hunt

The altmer control Valenwood.

Nords because I'm from Scandinavia myself. And no, I have no intention of backing that vote up with lore

Throwing in my lot with Argonians, just because I can.

Though it's most likely Nords.

argonians poison and disease resistance the so they cannot be wiped out by plague or poison plus under water breathing and lots off spy's and assassins

argonian assassin pops out of water stab important person shoots his guard and swims away he he easy as that but then again the person is probably smart so argonian lock pick skill comes in pick lock on door or climb above wall they are probably gonna be in a fort sneak in pick lock on door and kill important official

For game play plot, it's rather unnecessary for a certain race to "take over" and build a new empire. I like Tamriel the way it is after the daedric invasion. Logically speaking, when the world is stable, there are much less chance for the fun adventure. When the whole world is messed up like FallOut, it's much easier for the story writers to come up with different excuses for more fun and risky things to do. When it comes to Drama and story writing, conflicts and unstableness practically make up the whole story.
I voted for Bosmers, because I play Mystic Elves. Bretons are not so bad too, I think they're the most overpowered race.
In TES5, I'm hoping to see a lot of local governments dissolving without the central leadership and racial hatred providing a lot of rooms for players to fu*k around.