Something else in your load order is affecting that. NRB4 and its patches don't go close enough to 8,10 for that to even be possible, and even UL Imperial Isle doesn't alter landscape in that particular cell.



No idea. I'd have to see a shot of it to know what you mean.



I'd have to say no. It takes a bit of effort to get the road record loaded, and Fort Akatosh is simply way too large to justify downloading for that. The CS likes to choke on me if resources are missing from a mod when it's loaded. Besides, if they're crossing the river, it sounds like someone didn't shift the path grids. Although it wouldn't surprise me to find out that the NPCs don't care about trivial stuff like that where roads are concerned.



One of the links from the mod's Nexus page has an image that highlights the additions, but all of the maps will be out of date with the rerouted portion of the roads on the Imperial Isle. If that's what you're looking for then I don't have an image of them.



That looks like one of the UL trees, you'd need whichever patch is appropriate in order to get that tree out of the way.

I just want to share my idea here... Has anyone thought of a http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll54/pero_lozhach/newroad.jpg

When I created the patch, I did update the pathgrids. Onra has since edited the patch himself, but I doubt he'd have touched the pathgrids. It's most likely as Arthmoor suggests, the NPCs are ignoring the path grid nodes - they do tend to do this when following the ROAD path nodes.

Roundaboutly they have, yes. UL River Ethe has a path that follows the river which will let you walk from Skingrad all the way to Chorrol while admiring the scenery.

If you're suggesting I connect to the vestigial vanilla roads, I'd rather not throw NRB4 into conflict with another UL if I can help it

Also, Sita has provided a http://www.confrerie-des-traducteurs.fr/site/mods/graphisme/visuels/routes_et_ponts_supplementaires.php translation for version 4.5.

I poked in my mods with Tes4Edit. The cell 8,10 is edited by NRB4+RR Patch. Im using the patch downloaded from Nexus, could it happen that somehow the new patch hasnt been uploaded successfully?

I uploaded a few pictures of the bridge. The gap is hardly visable on the pictures, its much clearer in game.
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3839/screenshot29q.jpg

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/4208/screenshot28.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/i/screenshot27gk.jpg/

Regarding Road Record for Fort Akatosh, I have completely no idea how to create such record so please foregive me if im talking rubish but is it necessary to load Fort Akatosh in CS? Fort Akatosh doesnt touch Roads and Bridges at all, the patch for the fort and R&B moves the bridge. Wouldnt be enough to load just the patch to create new Road Record? It probably has Fort Akatosh as a master but perhaps it could be removed for this purpose. But again I dont know what needs to be done to edit roads in CS.

Hrm. Yes. Try the updated NRB+RR patch. If that's not uploaded I'll get to it later, but 8,10 should no longer be edited by that patch.

Ok, those are the bridge LODs. If you're not using RAEVWD then you're seeing the defective vanilla LODs for those. Gaps in LOD are also impossible to fix, because they go from the data on the real object, and I can assure you the real bridge has no gaps.

As far as the fort, I'd need to load it along with the roads mod and the bridge patch to see exactly what the path grid needs to pass through. It isn't exactly worth that much effort considering the road record affects the entire worldspace and not just that one part.

There is nothing Arthmoor can do about the ROAD record in NR&B, as it is correct in his mod, for his mod. The only viable solution would be to include the Tamriel ROAD record in the patch file for FA Redux. I might get around to adding this to the patch. Any other mod containing the Tamriel ROAD record which loads after the patch will of course override it again though.

On a new subject - I don't suppose a kind soul who knows how to edit this stuff would mind modifying http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=24044, specifically the Anequina one, to hold all of the new roads from this mod (v4.5), Leyawiin Reborn, and Bartholm? I'd more or less be in heaven!

You and me both
I am using this right now with Anequina but sorely miss your new roads - tried to add some in Gimp but I haven't learned what to do with all the layers.

Thanks for this and your other endeavors Arthmoor! :hugs:

Are there any known issues with OOO 1.33 and/or the Unofficial Oblivion Patch? As I installed it (via the manual instructions) and nada.

UOP should have no impact. OOO might throw some unexpected spawn points out there along the new Faregyl-Skingrad road. The legionnaires assigned to that route should be tough enough to handle it, and the folks at the Halfway Inn never leave the building.

This is quite strange, because I have the mods enabled and I'm getting nothing. No bridges, guard towers... nothing appears. I have a suspicion it's possibly due to load order, but I have no idea how to change that.

Did you remember to activate it after installing it? And you didn't just blind copy the folders right out of the archive did you? Because if you did, the game won't even know its there.

Yes, it's enabled and installed - I followed the manual installation instructions.

And you've got nothing? Nothing at all? Try heading down to Faregyl Inn. There should be a road leading west away from the front of the inn, followed far enough you'd reach the road to Skingrad and pass right by the Halfway Inn. Also, on the Imperial Isle, if you go to Fatback Cave, the bridge crossing the lake should be plain as day. If these aren't visible to you, post your load order out of Wrye Bash or OBMM so I can see what's going on there.

Nothing at all at the Faregyl Inn.

Finally got around to updating NRB, UL:II (1.6.4) and their various patches. (To complicate matters, I also run Region Revive-Lake Rumare, AFK_Weye, UniqueImpCity-all districts, 300 ImpCity 2, City Lights-Imp City, and, across the water, VeronaHouseBloodlines.) I didn't explore every inch of the Isle, but what I saw looked good... no obvious tears or floaters. I did, however, encounter one possible minor issue.

As a knight-errant, my avatar normal travels on horseback, currently Arrowspeed from Castle Seaview. He did so during my testing. They left the Imperial Isle via its northernmost bridge, the one that terminates near the Bruma-Road intersection. The "issue" occurred immediately after existing the bridge at its northern end. The ground rises steeply there. Apparently too steeply for Arrowspeed. I had to do a bit of "wiggling" with the movement keys (w,a,d) before he finally began the climb. Once past that initial stumbling block all went well. It's not a lease-breaker, but does lessen immersion. Sadly, I didn't have the sense to dismount and test the rise afoot.


-Decrepit

Have you installed the latest official patch? Some mods simply don't appear in-game if you're not using the latest official patch.

As far as I remember, GOTY edition is the most recently-patched version. Not installed the SI/KotN add-on disc, though, so it's possible that it isn't.

When you're at the initial game menu, what version is showing at the lower left corner?

Well, colour me surprised. Oblivion GOTY edition is only 1.0 until/unless you install the SI/KotN disc! Going to patch the vanilla game to 1.2 and see what happens.

1.2 and NRB works as expected. Oblivion crashes out whenever I quit the game, but it did that anyway so nothing new there.

And also as I saw a request up there, if yiou do make a map with Elsweyr included, could there be a version for with JUST elsweyr, I currently don't use Leyawiin Reborn or bartholm. And I do wanna try this mod but I don't wanna wander the roads blindly.

I finally got around to downloading and installing NRB. Nice Work!
In an earlier post, you mentioned wishing for a map with the new roads and such.
Did / do you know about http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23140?

This may have been mentioned previously, but the 4.5.1 download has a couple of minor issues.

The bridge south of the Arcane universuity is clipping in the center of the bridge. I fixed it in my esp moving the south half of the bridge 2 or 3 units.
The south footer of the bridge doesn't match the rest of the bridge pattern, (FormID XX000960). I fixed it by rotating the z to 270 from 90.
And last, this probably isn't something to worry about, but I don't know.
You have Subspace 000C507F disabled. The CS won't accept it unless it is Persistant. I changed it with TES4Edit because the persistant box was grayed out in the CS.

I'm also having a LOD problem that I thought was caused by NRB, but when I remove NRB, the LOD is still there.

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq11/aellis-photos/worb1.jpg is looking ne. Whats really weird is the reflection on the water.
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq11/aellis-photos/worb2.jpg is looking sw.

Looking at my LO below, which mod do you think might have added it? These don't register with FormID Finder or Refscope.

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Thanks!

I do, and use the variant of that map with Leyawiin Reborn on it now. But it isn't completely current anymore.



I'll have a look at those here in a bit. Thanks.



That was done on purpose to force the removal of the subspace. Otherwise it blocks part of the road and NPCs will try and go the really long way around it. If the flag isn't removed, you can't relocate it for anyone who has been past the prison, which if you think about it, is about 98% of the user base.



NRB4 passes some stuff through cells that otherwise have no LOD. You'd need to delete the DistantLOD folder and then regenerate the contents with Tes4LodGen to fix it. You're seeing the leftovers of the utility not clearing the cells since it doesn't see anything needing to go there now.

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