In the context of the Emperors, dragonborn is probably a reference to divine mandate and the whole shebang with allessia.

That's how I interpreted it.

The Nerevarine is from Cyrodiil i.e. Dragon-Born. Presumably the hero(ine) in Skyrim is also from Cyrodiil, or from Imperial lineage (which would be more like Dragon-Borne).

The subtitle in Oblivion that refers to the Septims uses "Dragon Born." Dragon-Borne would imply carried by dragons, or somesuch (it's the past participle of "to bear"). So, to return to Monica, we don't have merely one example at all.

No the Nerevarine is from the Empire, IE "Born amongst the Dragon's courts." "Born in Talos' kingdom" Dragon born. It could mean the same, it could mean any number of other things. From being enslaved and trained by Kosh, to having Akatosh impregnate your mother.

The only persons who are truly dragon-born would be the Emperor, and his children, and his 200 relatives also descended from Talos/Tiber Septim, that presumably weren't around during Oblivion, or got written from existence via as-pulls erm intestinal pulling erm plotkai THE ETERNAL POWER OF THE TODD.

It's really late (or really early) here, so I'm not firing on all cylinders, but what I meant was an example in prophecy. The trailer makes it sound like a reference to a prophecy, but we can't be sure. It could be a prophecy in reference to the Septim line.

And I'm really going to put this (and me) to bed now.

Or Dragon Born could just mean that the player character is half dragon, half human/elf whatever.

Well, you talk about a mother carrying/bearing a child, don't you? I guess it's practically the same thing.


Oh, I like how you think. Todd has eternal power? :whisper: Shhhh nobody tell him!

Well, yes, but I mean, that's not usually how it's rendered. Using another imperial anolog, consider Aeneas. In the Aeneid, he's addressed as (for example, in Book I) dea nata (often translated goddess-born). The verb nascor means "to be born" rather than "to be borne," and I'm sure they mean the same here. The emphasis is usually on the mythological figure himself rather than that who bore him, whether it's a goddess or a dragon.

Actually it's a reference to a title presumably given to some "Hero" not a reference to a prophesy.

They did mention the Elder Scrolls, which despite being within the series title aren't explained very often, but are kind of Histories of event's that have and haven't happened, that are so set in stone, that if you modify one, you modify the universe to fit it,. Any person with the gift of prophesy, IE, Tiber Septim's line, is merely using that gift to interpret the elder scroll for the event in question. Though only Tiber Septim's Line, due to the fact that they are the DRAGON BORN, are free of the consequences of peering into them, Amnesia, Blindness, Insanity. The Heroes, IE what the protagonists of the games are known as, are dependent upon the elder scrolls, without one the other couldn't exist and vise versa. Though the scrolls themselves don't lend to interpretation very easily, one monk could get a reading that indicates one thing, the other might see the opposite. That's on their interpretation not the scroll though.

Also remember the whole "walking" issue you bring up in universe, you can become as a god, if you follow their footsteps and learn to think like them. Kind of a nirvana type thing. It's completely possible you're going to be retracing Tiber Septim's Path, or aiding someone in doing so. OOH OOH, maybe you get to play the Symmachus and have an AFGNCAAP Royal for a companion, who is rather "experienced" if you catch my drift.



Read the real Barenziah from Daggerfall, it's enlightening. Also remember, Bethesda isn't liable for any need of brain bleach. Also for when you get back, hooks, Khajiit.

Frahcux, I need to learn how to edit this crap, in my defense it's 2:30, and I only just got home from game.

The Reason why you get different interpretations of the future is because it's the future that is not set in stone. The past is, and the scrolls are consistent in their recollection of the past. The future can be predicted, but a prediction is only a possible outcome, and there are many outcomes.

I'm gonna supplement this by saying it would be kinda bummy to see the term recycled like that.
'Specially if it was just to get more people interested in the epic.

It would be my guess that "Dragon Born" means born in Cyrodiil.

It would also be my guess, and my hope, that we, as the player, are the Dragon-Born. With any luck, our character will come from the Imperial City Prison yet again (thus being Dragon-Born, since we're from Cyrodiil) and pretty much be able to be anyone, just like the Nerevarine in Morrowind.

I think that would make the most sense, especially since there was a lot of people complaining about playing as the "sidekick" in Oblivion, as opposed to the chosen one or whatever in Morrowind.

The whole picture in the wall of the trailer, being a mustached guy and everything, I feel is just a place holder. Probably just a depiction from the prophecies, a "guess" of the Nords of what the hero might look like, and something Bethesda could use for the trailer. Nothing more. I don't think that's what the actual character will be like in the game.

I think the whole Nova'Keem or whatever it's called, is essentially the new "nerevarine" (obviously not being related to the nerevarine from Morrowind, simply implying that this game will share Morrowind's whole prophecy idea.)

It makes perfect sense. In this way, this game is more like Morrowind than Oblivion. Players can still be anyone, male or female, of any race, and still be the hero, not the sidekick. I honestly hope it's this idea, and not the one where Dragon-Born refers to being of the Septim Blood line or something like that.

That is true, so who knows, maybe in this case, "Dragon Born" has a similar meaning. In this case, the Dragon Born may be the player character, and the name mentioned in the trailer, which I couldn't clearly make out, could possibly be the title the protagonist of the game will be given, kind of like how Morrowind had the Nerevarine and Oblivion had the Champion of Cyrodiil. I kind of hope it's like this too as, honestly, I preferred being the hero like in Morrowind to being the guy who has to do all the hard work for the "real" hero, but still doesn't get the credit for it like in Oblivion. Still, if Bethesda IS going to keep the whole "Player is a nobody who does the hero's dirty work." thing from Oblivion, then it could be that the Dragon-Born refers to said hero, if that were the case, maybe he has some connections to the Septims? But that would seem too much like they're reusing ideas from Oblivion to me.



I'd say you're probably right on that. Somehow, I doubt Bethesda would suddenly break the whole "be anyone you want" thing in the fifth game in the main series, I' imagine they know how many players that would dissappoint, myself included.

Presumably, the image is a carving depicting the prophecy that they seem to be hinting will be involved in the game's story, whether we'll actually see the carving in the game or not we don't know. But regardless, such a carving would just be the sculptors idea of what the events the prophecy discussed would look like, it wouldn't necessarily get every detail right.

i believe that the dragon-born are dragon demi-gods half human half dragon

Baurus: "They say is the dragon blood hat flows throught the viens of every septim. They see more of lesser men."

I am sure there is more than that but thats just off the top of my head.

But you guys, why would the Dragons fear someone from Cyrodill?!?! COME ON! HE HAS TO BE DRAGON BORN LIKE THE TIBER SEPTIM!!!

The Dragons are not going to fear anyone from Cyrodill just like that! He has to be special in some way! Does anyone know how Tiber Septim is "Dragon Born"?

Like this I would assume...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firebreather_%28film%29

Isn't the voice over in the trailer talking to the protagonist, saying that you should have acted? And then, for you to be the Nova King/Dragon Born chap, the voice over guy would have to change articles- as he refers to you in the third person, whereas, he's speaking to you in the first person at the beginning... If my initial thought that he's speaking to the protagonist at the start. IMO, sounds like a beginning to the game, kinda like you got Azura talking to you in MW, etc..

Plus, if he's referred to by the dragons, as "Dragon Born" in their own tongue, then thats surely a whole other kettle of fish to Septium's dragon born-ness? Obviously, another interpretation could be that its the tongue of the Elder Scrolls, and yet another is that it could be Skyrim's native tongue.

Just my two cents...

My personal feeling is that Dragon Born does mean the blood of the emperors. But, since they are all dead, it may mean the birth of a new imperial line in the next time of crisis in the empire, the return of the Akavir, or of the coming of the dragons. Thus, the reward for victory would be a new blood line of kings for the future of Tamriel.
Or it could be that you are the last descendant, last of a line long bereft of lordship, of Tiber Septim, the dragon born, and that you are his reincarnation come to reunite the nords and rebuild the empire like he made during the formation of the third age.
Since Talos was actually a nord, it would make since for this to happen, as Talos was the general that led the forces of the north to form what would later be the Cyrodillic empire.

In that case it's no different than any of the other heroes is it? They all got cool legendary titles, Eternal Champion, Champion of Cyrodiil (or Champion of Old Tamriel as Mankar said), Nevarine, Hoon Ding. Dragon born is cool, although we've heard it before.

Sounds a lot like dragon RE-born from the Wheel of Time series. Dunno about anyone else, but thats the first thing i thought of when it was mentioned in the trailer