Hello,

yesterday, I first ever played the Morrowind mainquest and defeated Dagoth Ur. While studying the many books about the treachery of the Tribunal and Dagoth Ur I was wondering, what really happened with the Dwemer. I read Astions article "Dragon Break at the Red Mountain" and his personal theory, that the Dwemer were put into the daedric realms of Oblivion, where they were slaughtered by the inhabitants. But this is just one of very much theories. The next one said, that the Dwemer connected themselfes with the Earthbones.

But while I was reading http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/sindervelvinarticle1.shtml (awesome study, btw) I made a my own theory. The whole thing of breaking time and stuff is to become deity. But in TES there are different forms of gods. The first one are "uber-gods", like Anu and Padomay. They were followed by the "middle-gods", the souls, Sithis and Auri-El. The "lesser gods" are the et'Ada. Here we go.

The lesser gods are the gods we know. In the strict sense we don't know them at all, just that what they become. The Daedra are the next step of the hierarchy, they are the "modern gods", immortal and allmighty. One step deeper, there are the Aedra, divine but not immortal. The last of the hierarchy (we ignore the mortal beings) are the half gods, like Dagoth Ur or the Tribunal. Someone may think, that the half gods are the same as the Aedra. Both are divine, but not immortal. But I think, there is a difference.

Well, what means that for the disappearance of the Dwemer? There are many texts, of what REALLY happened at the Red Mountain. At the peak of the battle between Dwemer and Chimer, Dagoth Ur and Nerevar entered the heart chamber with followers. Some books tell us, that Kagrenac run to the heart and used his tools and *slap* - the Dwemer are gone. Other books tell, that Dagoth Ur killed Kagrenac and used the tools to unlink the (immortal) Dwemer from the heart. But if the Dwemer would already be immortal, how could the Chimer come to the heart chamber. Nobody can beat an immortal enemy and I dont think, that the chamber was unguarded.

What I think:
We know, that mortals are able to transform themselfes into a godhood. This causes everytime a dragon break. These half gods have to use the tool (often a stone of a tower) regular to contuine the godhood. I think, the second story was true. Dagoth Ur unlinked the heart and the Dwemer were wiped out. But why? I think, Kagrenac knew more about the tools then the Tribunal or further, Azura. I think, he don't want the "simple way" - the half godhood. I believe, that he wanted to arrive CHIM. I don't know, what CHIM is exactly, but thats how I interprate it: we know, that the et'Ada, which later became Aedra, have cut pieces of themselfes out and in this case, they became "mortal" (not the same mortality like "normal mortals"). I think, CHIM is the try, to become et'Ada again, to recover the regular immortality, which every spirit got.

And thats it, what Kagrenac did. When the Chimer arrived at the chamber, Kagrenac was already at work to get CHIM. But CHIM is not as simple as a dragon break. Not a single individual can get it - only a whole race. And its not as fast as he might wish. The way to CHIM was choosen, but the time wasn't enough. So Kagrenac wanted to accelerate and he used the tools again, or the just died by Dagoth Ur and he stoped the process. The barrier between god and mortal is as short as make and unmake. In this case, the Dwemer were unmade, because of the process stop.

Okey folks... thats it. Please excuse my bad english and yeah... lets start another Dwemer discussion

Well there's Vivec's side of the story and the story of Nerevar's friend, Alandro Sul.
The fact that the Temple keeps the Apographa secret might seem a little suspicious about what secrets the Tribunal are keeping.

Maybe the Tribunal used the Heart to give themselves powers to get rid of the Dwemer, but there is Yagrum Bagarn, which is a remaining dwemer, but he isn't very helpful in explaining the disappearance of the Dwemer.
And Azura doesn't seem to be very happy about the outcome of all this, the Tribunal supposedly broke their oaths about using the heart of Lorkhan...

Muthsera,

There are probably many out there that would like for me to stop referencing this post, but I find that I usually end up just regurgitating the same in "Disappearance" threads, so I will but ask that you check out http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=773263&view=findpost&p=11224319 (by yours truly).

Also, the best article out there is http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/luagararticle1.shtml concerning the Dwemeri disappearance.

I hope this helps, for I remain...


Yours in the Scrolls,


___The Word Merchant of Julianos

In the mainquest of the Tribunal expansion, you come across a Dwemer ruin that was previously closed off and inside are little piles of ash all around, some of them having tools or weapons laying beside them, suggesting that the people turned to ash and dropped whatever they had in their hands. I've always believed that the dwemer simply turned to dust, they are not in another realm and they did not achieve CHIM, because of the physical evidence of their ashes laying about. Most of the other ruins in Morrowind are open to bandits and looters so the dust left behind was disturbed. I guess that's the more boring theory though. xD

They turned into the brass scales of their golem.

How does one "simply turn to dust". Turning to dust in itself isn't a simple matter, so naturally there has to be more to it - ie, a reason that they would turn into dust, and more importantly the dust is just the remainder of the body, it doesn't account for what happened to their souls at all...

Hello,

I'm the author of this thread, but I changed my username. Just for information.



The Dwemer turned into ash/dust, I know this. The many books about Nerevar and the Dwemer always seem to change the thing which real happened. In http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/nerevar_redmountain.shtml it is said, they turned into dust.



The fact, that the Dwemer disappeared but left dust don't tell anything. Take Umaril as example: we destroyed his body, but his soul went to Oblivion. It is possible, to leave the body while entering new spheres, like Oblivion or Aetherius. Also notice, that I never affirmed the Dwemer achieved CHIM. Would they get it, the whole world would have changend. My theroy is: they were interrupted while achieving CHIM and this caused very bad consequences.

But this theory is neither very stable nor I was the first one who got it.

If you do the first quest that Treberious (the archmage of the mage's guild) gives you he will ask you to find what happened to the dwemer. I'm not going any further but if you complete this quest you will find out what really happened to the dwemer.

Not really, the quest in itself is rather inconclusive and just provides you with Yagrum's thoughts on the matter (though you can also get Baladas' thoughts, which are a really good start), and he really isn't sure what happened specifically...

The Dwemer sacrificed their immortality (their souls) in order to become a part of their god. They transformed into the scales of Akulakhan. As a result they are all gone, except for Bargrum. He was outside of the mortal realm at the time.

Not Akulakhan. Your talking about the Anumidum, Akulakhan was made by Dagoth Ur. The whole Dwemer get into Brass God theory is not proven yet; its just another theory. Everyone can choose his own way for what caused the disappearance. Maybe this secret never will be lifted, maybe we'll know the truth in TES V.

Alright. You got me on Akulakhan.

It's still a darn good theory. If any of you want the story, here is the link.

http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/luagararticle1.shtml.

EDIT: The Word Merchant posted it as well.

I still think it's more than mere coincidence that Lesser Daedra happen to be wielding Dwemer weaponry in many cases.

Assuming its not just gameplay, which it probably is, what makes a Daedra wielding a Dwemer weapon any different than a Breton weilding a Daedric weapon (not to mention that the Daedra also carry Dreugh, Glass and Ebony weapons).

Daedric weapons are tough to make, so naturally just any old Dremora isn't going to get to carry them, just like every Dremora doesn't get high quality Daedric armor (and it was theory at some point that the Dremora of Morrowind didn't actually wear armor at all, they just molded their skin to reflect the armor of higher status Daedra). Naturally they need to use other weapons if they can't get ahold of high-quality Daedric, and so just like we look to the Daedra for good weapons, they too may look to us for weapons - what you end up with is Daedra carrying high quality mortal weapons such as Glass, Dwarven, Ebony, etc.

The Dwemer in Morrowind were supposedly wiped out but no-one knows what happened to the few who inhabited Volenfell (Hammerfell)
The Dwemer settlements were found to just suddenly be empty. The settlements were then taken over by orcs and wild animals and later were buried under Volenfell's shifting sands.

The Dwemer in Morrowind were supposedly wiped out but no-one knows what happened to the few who inhabited Volenfell (Hammerfell)

The several theory's concerning the disappearance of the Dwemer all suggest that they vanished as a whole. Yagrum Bagarn is the only exception, as he was in an 'outer-dimension'.

And I think it has to do with leveled list mechanics.

I think when they said the dwemer were immortal is that they can live forever and not die of old age or by disease, but they could stil die if someone actually killed them. Don't know if that makes any sense...


I think it's possible that the other lesser gods such as Azura or who ever else used the power of Lorkhan's heart to reverse the effect of immortality of the dwemer. The Dewemer didn't believe in any God so any current Gods would not want this of course especially if a whole race tries to become as powerful as just one God. I like to think of it as the Tribunal. They are immortal in a sense just like the dwemer were. So they are using that very same power that the dwemer used to become Immortal. And i don't know if anybody heard this but if when you play TES IV after so many hours after you beat the game when you hear npc's talking to each other in pubs and what not i heard one time that Vivec magically disapears just like the Dwemer. The reason to this i think is that once Lorkhan's heart was destroyed Vivec, Sotha Sil or anybody else that used it's power no longer possed it so they are now in a sense mortal. I don't think the Dwemer were like magically teleported to another realm. B/c if they really wanted to coudln't they just come back to our Realm by just opening a gate?

So in any sense once a person or a whole race becomes attached to the power of Lorkhan's heart you live and die by the power of the heart. You may use it's power to become immortal like a God, but once you longer have that power you will die.