Other Provinces during Oblivion Crisis

Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:39 pm

I know this must have been posted before, but I can't find anything.

What happened in Morrowind during the Oblivion Crisis, and more importantly, what happened in Vvardenfell?

Also, does anybody else have any other information regarding the other provinces?
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:06 pm

Well the couple of things I know is based on the rumors in game.

Let see, I belive that Aldruhn has been wiped off the face of the map, The Telvanni are trying to close Oblivion Gates, The Nerevarine has left for Akavir, and Vivec is missing.
I don't know if this one was ingame or If I just saw it somewhere but the Sixth House Cult is also attacking, again I'm not to sure if that one was in the game.

Hope this helped with Vvardenfell anyways.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:48 pm

Well the couple of things I know is based on the rumors in game.

Let see, I belive that Aldruhn has been wiped off the face of the map, The Telvanni are trying to close Oblivion Gates, The Nerevarine has left for Akavir, and Vivec is missing.
I don't know if this one was ingame or If I just saw it somewhere but the Sixth House Cult is also attacking, again I'm not to sure if that one was in the game.


It's true that those are the rumors in "Oblivion", all but the Sixth House one; as far as I know there are no rumors about the Sixth House. The cultists have probably been defunct for several years at least; ever since the fall of Dagoth Ur in "Morrowind".
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:44 am

Concerning Morrowind, the ingame rumors and dev comments strongly imply that of all the provinces, it suffered the most during the invasion. Vvardenfell can be presumed to have been completely ransacked, and on top of that the Nords abused the interregnum to retake some disputed mainland territories.

I also read somewhere that the invasion was least successful in Black Marsh, but I can't remember the source.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:52 am

In Morrowind, the daedric hordes of Dagon swarmed and overran Ald'Ruhn, even though the S'kar, the Emperor Crab, in the middle of the city arose and fought alongside the noble Redoran. After finishing off the Redoran, the horde proceeded towards the Ghost Gate.

The Ministry of Truth ("Lie Rock") may have hit the city of Vivec causing untold damage, although this is unconfirmed.

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=745922&view=findpost&p=10802314 couldn't hurt (although far from 'official').

The Nords of Skyrim aligned with Orc mercenaries in an effort to reclaim their old holdings in Morrowind.

Not much else is known.


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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:51 pm

In Morrowind, the daedric hordes of Dagon swarmed and overran Ald'Ruhn, even though the S'kar, the Emperor Crab, in the middle of the city arose and fought alongside the noble Redoran. After finishing off the Redoran, the horde proceeded towards the Ghost Gate.

The Ministry of Truth ("Lie Rock") may have hit the city of Vivec causing untold damage, although this is unconfirmed.

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?s=&showtopic=745922&view=findpost&p=10802314 couldn't hurt (although far from 'official').

The Nords of Skyrim aligned with Orc mercenaries in an effort to reclaim their old holdings in Morrowind.

Not much else is known.


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Man...I doubt Morrowind, or Vvardenfell for that matter, will ever be the same. :(
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:21 am

No doubt we'll find all this in detail in books in the next ES.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:39 am

Dear TWM, permit me to offer a few alternative views.

Still [the Hum] of Julianos evades us while pilgrims from across Tamriel flock to see the statues of Akatosh and the Savior of Bruma. While the Chapel's heirarchy, as my Lord already well knows, had originally sought to keep the knowledge of Martin's transformation in the face of Mehrunes Dagon from being widely dissiminated, the Imperial Legionaires who witnessed the event have proven difficult to silence. Much better would it have been for the good citizens to have believed that Akatosh Himself had deigned to end Dagon's rampage and not rely upon the actions of a mortal's (or mortals'?) faith.
I have emboldened one line here as I am uneasy. It does sound like the sort of shenanigans that a hierarchy would get up to - but I also feel that it could go the other way with Martin safely out of the way the hierarchy might get more mileage out of an Imperial Heir/Saviour line - unless this is tailored to be the doings of an advisor svcking up to a Nord Councillor and buffing Nord prejudices?

The Chapel Primates have increased their efforts to collect donations to fund the continuing research. Unfortunately, most of the tithes from the "civilized" provinces are, and have long been, committed to preexisting needs. On the other hand, the tithes from Morrowind have been exponentially increasing as word of the Tribunal Temple's collapse spreads through the daedra-razed ashlands of the Dunmer. The reactionary regression to ancestor and daedra worship has seen a merciful reversal (Praise Julianos and all of the Divines!) in the face of the naked aggression of their House of Troubles coupled with the impotence of the "Good Daedra" to provide assistance or succor, much less aid in stemming the tide of Dagon's raw carnage. Their conversion to the True Faith has increased the strength of our communication with the Divines, providing stronger Blessings, Healing, and Peace-Through-[the Hum].
I am not happy with this at all. Given that the Imperial Throne is emptied why would ordinary dunmer look to Imperials for succour? Did the Legions come to the rescue at Ald'Ruhn or the Ghostgate? I think not. There has been no significant detail that I have noted of activity on the part of the Legions - other than getting their asses kicked all over Cyrodiil ;)

In Morrowind, the daedric hordes of Dagon swarmed and overran Ald'Ruhn, even though the S'kar, the Emperor Crab, in the middle of the city arose and fought alongside the noble Redoran. After finishing off the Redoran, the horde proceeded towards the Ghost Gate.
Regarding your statement here - I fear it is a little fanciful. So far I have read rumours (and seen MK's wonderful artwork) of Daedra destroying Ald'Ruhn - but no news of the fate of either the people or the armed forces there. Also there is no news known to me of the fate of the Ghostgate where the cream of the Redoran fighters on Vvardenfell were stationed other than it was besieged - no in-game news of a Daedric Success there, just a siege.

Allow me to present an equally speculative alternative:

The Fall of Ald'Ruhn
An account penned by Arsellus Pompus, scribe of the Ald'Ruhn Fighter's Guild
It is one thing to defeat a rabble - but something entirely different may occur when a close-knit familial organisation which holds to a martial tradition as the Redoran do is assaulted. When the Gate at Ald'Ruhn opened Redoran forces sought to deploy to defend the city of Ald'Ruhn and delay Daedic advances. Fighting was fierce and the destruction massive. The desperate raising of the Emperor Crab actually contributed to the destruction of the city but what is a revivified crab and a few buildings compared to the lives of Redoran womer and children?

The Citizens' Militia were the troops that spear-headed the offensive. Knowing that the better-drilled garrison would be needed to maintain the more difficult rearguard. It was clear from the first few moments of the eruption of Daedra into the midst of the unsuspecting city that this was one Redoran Battle that would not end in a resounding defeat of the enemy. So many city guards went down in those first moments simply because the weapons they carried could not harm the invading Daedra, but that had not lasted long.

In a sudden, unlooked-for and desperately fierce counter-offensive an astonishingly numerous, capable and courageous Citizens Militia, armed by a chain of willing hands organised by the noble families with all the superior weapons capable of harming Daedra that could be requisitioned from armories, shops and homes rocked the ignorant Daedra back on their heels The Damned Gate was so clogged up with Daedric dead that the tide of Daedric advance was rocked back on its heels so that reinforcements from Oblivion were stemmed for vital moments at least. Many brave hearts and fine dreams died in those moments - but the sacrifice was joyfully and willingly made that Redoran might survive - and the chant began "Remember Redoran!"



It was the astonishingly high number of Redoran present in the Capital and perhaps the Tales of the Nerevarine and his experiences fighting Daedra all over Vvardenfell that saw so many effective weapons in the hands of those who needed them but to the dismay of the Daedra they were there and ready at a moment's notice.

While this vital action proceeded those precious few too young or old to take part and those whose given duty it was to care for them in time of war silently and unobtrusively flowed from the buildings and streets and began to make their way to the pre-arranged assembly-points outside the City Walls, and from there to safety. No child squalled, no ancient complained - these were Redoran. And still the chant remained: "Remember Redoran! Remember our love."

It was inevitable that fully organised and prepared Daedra would prevail and as soon as the Commander of the Militia saw that the tide was turning she sent in the Guards to cover their retreat. A store of potent missiles that already been prepared for this appeared as if by magica and as the Daedra poured once more from their Gate they were met by a storm of a different nature and the front ranks and magic users of their oncoming numbers thinned briefly. That was all the respite the now battle-hardenend Militia needed to withdraw to the hasty barricades made from sturdy wagons, paving and buildings rent by magica - mostly Daedric it has to said.

However Redoran was not without its own resources and more. The valient members of the Ald'Ruhn Fighters Guild was offered a serious sum to build those barricades and man them - they went to work with a will. Redoran Mages assisted by a small contingent conscripted from the Mages Guild for the purpose cast all the spells that they could in the brief time available to give those all too limited barricades the same kind of resistance that is imbued in the seemingly sparse walls about Redoran cities. Word had come from the council that the Temple was preparing a little surprise for the visitors, but they needed more time.

The stream of Daedra pouring through the Gate swiftly turned into a Horde - as if Dagon ever mindful of past slights and the vital role that Redorans had played in opposing him and supporting the Temple had bent all his malice and resources to the destruction of the city. The defenders knew they would not be able to hold, but hold they did for seconds, for a minute. For what seemed like hours as the red, green and black waves of Daedra crashed into the barricades and fell before them.

Behind them the chanting of the Priests grew and grew until it resounded around the Plaza and drowned the shrieks and cries of the wounded and dying. and a whisper started and all the Daedra stopped dead. There was an eerie creaking and the ground shook beneath us. A hail of masonry could be seen arching over their heads to fall on the Daedra and a new chant began: "The Crab, the crab, the crab ... Remember Redoran!"

There ya goes - One battle is not a war. Want more?


ps - moderators please feel free to move this post if you so desire with blessings :)
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:44 am

First of all, yes, I want more.

Additionally, clear your PM box a little, I need to message you.
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:35 pm

this tread might help;
http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=983392
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:52 am

Dear TWM, permit me to offer a few alternative views.


Of course, my friend, I always look forward to reading your input.

I have emboldened one line here as I am uneasy. It does sound like the sort of shenanigans that a hierarchy would get up to - but I also feel that it could go the other way with Martin safely out of the way the hierarchy might get more mileage out of an Imperial Heir/Saviour line - unless this is tailored to be the doings of an advisor svcking up to a Nord Councillor and buffing Nord prejudices?


The in-character logic of my fictional hierarchy was that a mortal being a necessary element in the defeat of a member of the "bad daedra" would likely demonstrate that the Nine Divines, and by extention, Akatosh himself, are not nearly as powerful as the religion would have their followers believe. And if a mortal transforming into a divine being and knocking down Dagon is what the Chapels are going to promulgate as the official story, then Morrowind is going to think that they are WAY behind the times. They knew the power of the apotheosis of mortals (i.e., the Tribunal) eons ago.

And yes, there is a bit of ingratiating banter involved in the text. My character has never claimed to be at the top of the theocratic food chain, so the text purposefully demonstrates a tendency to be self-promoting, not only for the writer, but also towards the bolstering and justifying of the Chapels actions. Lies cloaked in righteousness. It's not unheard of, no?

I am not happy with this at all. Given that the Imperial Throne is emptied why would ordinary dunmer look to Imperials for succour? Did the Legions come to the rescue at Ald'Ruhn or the Ghostgate? I think not. There has been no significant detail that I have noted of activity on the part of the Legions - other than getting their asses kicked all over Cyrodiil ;)


I would agree that many Dunmer would not seek out the help of the Imperials, but I am referencing the worship of the Nine Divines in this section, which is a religion that, although most strongly appears in Cyrodiil, is the most prevalent religion on Tamriel, in some form or another.

Regarding your statement here - I fear it is a little fanciful. So far I have read rumours (and seen MK's wonderful artwork) of Daedra destroying Ald'Ruhn - but no news of the fate of either the people or the armed forces there. Also there is no news known to me of the fate of the Ghostgate where the cream of the Redoran fighters on Vvardenfell were stationed other than it was besieged - no in-game news of a Daedric Success there, just a siege.


What MK wrote (which can be found http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/fallofaldruhn.shtml) does, in fact, seem to point towards the destruction of House Redoran and its capital city of Ald'Ruhn. Herein lies the quote:

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"The armies of Oblivion destroy Ald'ruhn, ancestral home of House Redoran, even though ancient rituals were used to awaken the dread emperor crab and the whole city literally rose up to fight the invaders. With their warrior House decimated, the dunmer of Vvardenfell fall back as daedra move towards a siege of Ghost Gate. Prayers to Vivec and the Nerevarine go unanswered."

Merry Christmas, V, and holiday cheer to everyone!

-MK

REMEMBER REDORAN. NEVER FORGET.

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Allow me to present an equally speculative alternative:

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I enjoyed reading your rendition of the Fall. You should continue to explore your talent and create descriptions of other TES events.


I wish that I could write more, but irl things are calling,


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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:52 am

AHh, yes, Lord Word Merchant's The Two Statues I greatly enjoyed reading it! Very fine piece of work!
Lord 1999's account of the Fall of Ald'ruhn is also very good. I applaud your talent.

Praise Julianos and the knowledge he holds sacred.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:14 pm

AHh, yes, Lord Word Merchant's The Two Statues I greatly enjoyed reading it! Very fine piece of work!
Lord 1999's account of the Fall of Ald'ruhn is also very good. I applaud your talent.

Praise Julianos and the knowledge he holds sacred.

Thank you, BohrIII, for your kind words. I am glad that some joy was to be gained.


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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:18 am

If we're lucky, we will learn more about Morrowind and the other provinces in the books and any upcoming titles they may have planned.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:02 am

I know Black Marsh was extremely successful in kicking daedra butt during Oblivion.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:04 am

I doubt Vvardenfell was completely ransacked. It's practically a fortress within and of itself. Daedra may be immortal, they may not need to eat or sleep, but they can't get around walls of rock and mountains and guerrilla attacks from Ashlanders (Ashlanders mention that in their wild places, the Legions can't best them, which is probably a little more than a proud boast) would wear down their numbers.

Furthermore, Mankar Camoran, the commander of Daedric forces as evidenced by Jearl's Orders in Oblivion (Dagon only allocates resources), is concentrating on Cyrodiil, probably leaving the efforts in Morrowind to the Dremora officers and hoping that the Great Houses don't unite and fight the Daedra as one body.
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