Vivec's true persona

Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:20 pm

I guess they all deserve to die then :P
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Adam
 
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:49 am

I guess they all deserve to die then :P


Yes yes, conventional morality isn't always compatible with TES.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:23 am

Just like Talos was wont to kill Wulfharth? Uriel VII to kill unwanted children? Helseth to kill King Llethan?


Wasn't it Talos who had his child aborted, not Uriel? Uriel seemed fond of giving them up to monasteries.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:50 pm

Muthsera,

I must disagree. Vivec is not powerhungry, at least not anymore. Vivec sacrificed his godhood to save Vvardenfell from the Sharmat.

Nonetheless, I will concede that the Invisible Warrior-Poet has layer upon layer of motivations for each action that he undertakes. I believe that he knew from the start that the Tribunal would have to die, and I have been piecing together the bits of lore to back this theory up. It is not complete, so I will not proffer it at this time, aside from quoting Vivec during his departure from the http://www.imperial-library.info/characters/trial_vivec.shtml at Hogithum Hall where he admits to effectively murdering the other Tribunes (although I would say that he meant this as he set events in motion and not that he was actually the one who levied the killing strokes): "...I am Vivec, born of powers which should have forever been unalike, Vehk and Vehk, murderer of the last and last, anon ALMSIVI, whose name is Alive, and so really do not care! HA HA HA HA HA HA!"

This is quite different from the Vivec that we met in his Temple after Almalexia's death. At that time he said "That is very sad. I presume she killed Sotha Sil. I thought she might harm me. And I presume she tried to kill you, Nerevarine. It is all very sad. But death comes to all mortals -- and we are all mortal now. In time, death will come to me, Nerevarine -- perhaps even at your hands. It is futile to deny one's fate. But, nonetheless, I'm afraid I find it all very, very sad that it should end this way, something that began in such glory and noble promise."

All in all, I believe that Vivec is a character who fulfills his role quite nicely. He really is both good and evil. You can't have one without the other with him.


Yours in the Scrolls,


___The Word Merchant of Julianos


Or is the sacrifice of what was left of his God-power necessary to achieve CHIMp - assuming that is what happened to Vivec?

Apologies TWM for not stopping longer to respond to your long and illuminating post on my own ideas at this time - I hope I will be able to before thread necromancy becomes necessary - but the dreaded RL has struck again.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:19 am

Or is the sacrifice of what was left of his God-power necessary to achieve CHIMp - assuming that is what happened to Vivec?


Yes, I believe that losing his godhood was a necessary stage for [ whatever he had planned ].

Apologies TWM for not stopping longer to respond to your long and illuminating post on my own ideas at this time - I hope I will be able to before thread necromancy becomes necessary - but the dreaded RL has struck again.


No apologies necessary, serjo, for the RL has been the bane of my [anti-RL] for quite some time. Should Fate, Fancy, or just plain luck ever present you with the right opportunity, then, as far as the RL is concerned, please...please....PLEASE....kick that scary mother[censored] right in the [censored] with all of the wide-eyed and foul winded lore love that so becomes the dirtbirds of old.

[censored] the RL.....that being, said, mine is calling.


Until then, I remain...


___The Word Merchant of Julianos
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