Constant hourly crashes :( : IV

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:18 am

Feels like I always need help with Oblivion mods.

Fallout 3 I got working after a bit, Morrowind I never had any issues. But Oblivion, ugh...I'm not sure if I'll ever get a perfectly stable set of mods. My mod list mostly plays nice with one another, except recently my crashes have gotten worse, instead of crashing once every few hours it's more like every 20 minutes or less now. Sometimes it'll even just crash repeatedly, like right now I can't enter the merchants inn in IC without a crash. I've got my load order set, and I attempted to make a Bashed Patch, but I don't think I did a very good job, otherwise it wouldn't be acting like this... How do I know what to check off to merge? BOSS kind of helps, but sometimes the mods aren't even in the category it mentions, like C. Climate or something.

My load order:

Spoiler

Oblivion.esm
Jog_X_Mod.esm
All Natural Base.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
TamrielTravellers.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
BetterMusicSystem.esm
HorseCombatMaster.esm
TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Better Cities .esp
LoadingScreens.esp
LoadingScreensAddOn.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
All Natural.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
Symphony of Violence.esp
Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
PCSoundGarrett.esp
WindowLightingSystem.esp
Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
CM_Better Wine.esp
Cyrodilic Brandy.esp
BetterMusicSystem(SI).esp
Purge Cell Buffers - Loading.esp
Enhanced Economy.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp
Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp
ClassyClothingCompendium.esp
doofdillas_potions_recolored_unsorted_v0_2_1.esp
Shdw_Armor Set_Sotonhorian.esp
WarriorBandages_V2.0.esp
Thieves Arsenal.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO-Water_Weeds.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp
TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp
Travellers4MMMHostileFactions.esp
TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp
ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp
ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp
LoadingScreens-OOO.esp
OOO-WaterFish.esp
BrotherhoodRenewed.esp
thievery.esp
thievery - EE patch.esp
VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
Knights.esp
MTCThievesGrottoV4.1.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
ThievesGrotto-ColovianHighlands patch.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Birthsigns Expanded.esp
Leviathan Soulgems.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp
PersuasionOverhaul.esp
ReneerNPCSneakMod.esp
Quest Award Leveller.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp
Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
RealisticForceMedium.esp
RealisticMagicForceMedium.esp
StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp
EnchantmentRestore.esp
SM Combat Hide.esp
StealthOverhaul.esp
ZumbsLockpickingMod - OBSE.esp
No psychic guards v1.2.esp
RenGuardOverhaul.esp
Marksman Velocity.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
SniperSneakSkillup.esp
nGCD.esp
nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
Better Cities Full.esp
BCBravilFULL-Barrowfields patch.esp
BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.esp
BCCheydinhalFULL-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp
Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
[GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp
UFF & RM Assassin Elite Armor.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I also want to say that I appreciate all the hard work both the modders of this community and the people willing to help those of us not as good at mod stability.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:00 am

I'll take a crack at this, since I've had the same problems now and then...

Upgrade to Wrye Bash 2.85, if you haven't already.

Get the Unofficial Oblivion Patch and install it.

Use BOSS (or the BOSS HTML master list) to order your mods; if you're doing it manually, add tags as necessary.

Build the bash patch.

Any mods whose names are green can be merged. Just click on the box, and the check will turn to a plus sign.

Download and run TES4LODGEN. This will give you all the LODs you need (which might be necessary for all those ULs; at the least, it can't hurt).

Start the game and wait in an interior for the amount of time it takes to respawn the cells (default is 3 days). I've found that tossing in a mod that alters levelled lists (like MMM) without waiting out the respawn time is often a cause of frequent crashing. TIP: You can set respawn time in the bash patch, under "Tweak Settings". When I need to respawn everything due to adding a mod that alters levelled lists, I set it to 1 day, so I can do get it over with quickly, and then quit and reset to 5 days (my preference). Again, it can't hurt, and it may well help.

MMM - Add En Vars is noted as causing crashes in heavily modded games. You might try removing it.

There's also a patch for StarX VVR and OOO, though I'm not sure where to find it. It fixes some object placements and faction disputes.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:56 am

All that is excellent advice; then find the thread on RAM ctd issues with heavily modded OB.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:10 pm

Ghost

Are you using http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23208?

I HIGHLY recommend it. Try setting the iHeapAlgorithm to 5 and iHeapSize somewhere between 800 and 1024 (no higher) in the OSR ini.

Before posting I just played about 2 hours without a crash on a heavily modded game.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:06 am

Don't worry...I get constant hourly crashes too...maybe it is because I have 254 mods running ALL THE TIME!

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:27 pm

I do have the stutter removal. Wyre Bash is the latest version, BOSS has everything sorted. So if a bunch of mods are green, I should just merge everything? I wasn't sure if that was a very good idea, the names of the items in my inventory started looking weird once I did that. Had like "C. The Dragon's Purification" etc. I'll take a screenie of my Wyre Bash screen if that helps.

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2673/wyrebash1.jpg

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2673/wyrebash1.jpg

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/2673/wyrebash1.jpg

Is there any info in particular I could give that would help you help me?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:37 am

For what it's worth, I'd recommend trying it with MMM"s Extra Wounding disabled. My setup was unstable till I disabled that mod, and then everything started running smoothly. Perhaps this is due to the fact this specific ESP tries to extend MMM settings to all other mods...

Edit: I've also found MMM and mods that affect road travelers to be an unstable combination. In particular, MMM + Crowded Roads or Crowded Roads Advanced almost inevitably causes a crash for me. The same may be true for MMM + Tamriel Travellers though I've never tried that specific mod.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:39 am

They do pretty much the same thing, so that could be a problem. I was actually wondering if it was Better Cities, because 90% of my crashes are in cities. If I'm in the wilderness I'm usually okay, if I'm in a dungeon or something I almost never crash.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:18 am

All the mods that are in green like CM_Better_Wine and Cyrodiilic Brandy, can be merged (I'd recommend getting RealitySpectre's Better Potions - it replaces those two and, I think, Doofdilla's potions as well). Enchantment Restore Wells is merged... but that line should be gray. Odd. Most of the MMM mods should be merged

If you're crashing in the cities, it might be an FPS issue. Open the console and type "tdt" then close the console. Up in the right hand corner, you'll see your FPS. It could also be an issue with missing resources; make sure you've got all those installed too.

Just a suggestion, but you might want to order your mods in WB by load order, not alphabetically - it'll cause less confusion. Also, set "lock times" on them to prevent them from being moved around when you add/remove something.

UFF & RM Assassin Elite Armor.esp is in the wrong place - it should go right after Thieves Arsenal.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:57 am

They do pretty much the same thing, so that could be a problem. I was actually wondering if it was Better Cities, because 90% of my crashes are in cities. If I'm in the wilderness I'm usually okay, if I'm in a dungeon or something I almost never crash.

Could be. BC can sure be brutal on the ol' PC, depending. FPS drop quite dramatically for me when I'm in any of the BC versions of cities. Particularly B&M BC Bravil and the Imperial waterfront, so far this time. Luckily, for whatever reason(s), not so much to make it unplayable, or crash, for that matter. But yes, BC is a likely enough candidate. I believe one or more parts of it are also "dirty" (i.e., in need of cleaning). Might be misremembering though...

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:41 am

How much RAM does your computer have?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:31 pm

I've got 4GB, but because it's a 32bit Windows 7 it's technically 3.75 GB or something. BC doesn't actually lag me all that bad most of the time.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:54 pm

I just wanted to post an update; I've fixed my crashing problems. I downloaded and installed that 4GB patcher for Oblivion and it seems to have done the trick. The symptoms of a RAM crash fit my problem pretty well, frequent crashes after roughly 20-30 minutes, almost like it's a timer counting down. I guess that timer was the RAM memory filling up. Hopefully this will help anyone else have similar crashing, it could just be a RAM allocation issue.