Well there's the problem, we're not talking about getting shot at, we're talking about taking multiple bullets to center mass and coming out like they got shot with something less powerful than an airsoft gun. For a game that finally broke the mold and decided that explosives indeed have some sort of shock wave that could possibly knock someone down and that getting whacked in the face might do something to your ability to swing back, their approach to getting shot is on a completely different end of the spectrum. It all seems rather erratic. A simple fix would be that getting hit would make you stumble a bit.

Well there's the problem, we're not talking about getting shot at, we're talking about taking multiple bullets to center mass and coming out like they got shot with something less powerful than an airsoft gun. For a game that finally broke the mold and decided that explosives indeed have some sort of shock wave that could possibly knock someone down and that getting whacked in the face might do something to your ability to swing back, their approach to getting shot is on a completely different end of the spectrum. It all seems rather erratic. A simple fix would be that getting hit would make you stumble a bit.

The problem with that approach is that it would put the person getting shot at at a huge disadvantage. I know, I know, he's already at a huge disadvantage because he's being filled with bullets, but what I mean is that it would be much more difficult to fight back or even try to run away if getting shot made you stumble. And the devs have said that they want people to be able to fight back a lot, not just die without having a chance to even go "What?"

It just isn't realistic at all though. A .50 BMG round passing within 8 inches of you can tear your arm off. I don't think anybody has ever survived actually being hit by one center mass. As for hip fire, have you ever tried it? If by skill, you mean miraculously spraying bullets in a line with no worry that someone is going to cap you from afar, you sir, are part of the problem.

\yes, in real life hip aiming isnt great but then again IRL you dont press a button to lift a heavy weapon up to your eye.

I've said it time and time again. Guns are meant to kill. Not whittle away gently as we consider the ramifications of our actions and the plot of "one flew over the coocoo's nest."You make a mistake and you're dead. That's the way I like it.

THANK YOU! Hate the games you hate, love the games you love. I find most people go from title to title hating the old one, loving the new one. Fable and Bad Company are my loyalties and always have been. I was a fan of Halo until 3 died down and CoD and I have a definate love/hate cautious relation but I admit it and stick too my guns on my standings.

Not entirely true. Some of us have played demos at events. :whistling:

If you're unable to discern by the nature, or ilk if you will, of my general demeanor when posting on these fora that I'm capable of understanding a commonly used word in my native language - well, I have some news for you. The comment is ignorant because his tone implies a certain indiscriminate and vicious glee on part of the camping sniper, and was made with a negative tone to portray that all such snipers, "up on a hill whose been camping [all game]...Having the time of your life, just kill, after kill, after kill..." are pubascent, immature, incapable of intelligent play and morality that extends beyond just the self. It's not only hyperbole but generalization and groupism, and thus by nigh every definition of the word: ignorant.

The designer is obviously not ignorant of why he made the game a certain way, but the reason for making the game a certain way can (and in this case, appears to be) ignorant. Furthermore, the only times where people have come on my forums, on to my teamspeak, and in to my server to whine about anything (usually helicopters or snipers, I play Battlefield until BRINK releases) is when a good number of my clan are on the server and we are organized and obliterating the opposing team. That one sniper is rarely just one sniper causing you problems, though he may be getting a noticeable portion of the kills. You either get a sniper rifle yourself and take him out, shoot a rocket, a skilltube (40mm launcher), flank him, bum rush him, switch servers, or stop playing because if you are miserable why for God's sake are you still playing?


Nerfing snipers because you want them to fill a specific role in your fast-paced FPS is one thing; nerfing snipers because they touched you in a bad spot is entirely another. To clarify, teamwork is the emphasis in this game - team based objectives are more important than turning every game mode in to a death-match. So the lone sniper posted wherever camping all match has pretty much no role in BRINK even with OHK, and the role long-rifles have in BRINK fits their stated overarching gameplay. And to reiterate, because reading comprehension is at an all-time low, I do not believe OHK/camping with a sniper should be encouraged or included within BRINK. I agree with the sentiment that they are used to take a chunk of HP out of your target, to finish him or her off with a secondary weapon.

The entire quote speaks of malice and ignorance, which is why I called it so.

LOL! Really? I don't know if you have noticed...but BRINK isn't supposed to be "realistic". I seriously hope you were just making a joke.

While we are on the topic of realism...please explain how COD gameplay is "realistic". It's the most unrealistic crap I've ever seen. Running around stabbing people in the back is realistic? Running around with a noobtube shooting at will without getting tired and perfect accuracy is realistic? To use your line, have you ever shot an RPG? LOL.

BRINK isn't about realism. It's about balance in classes, shooting, movement, etc. That's what makes the game skillful. Not your severely unbalanced gameplay preferences. I'm part of the problem huh? LMFAO.

Just to point something out. These seem like rifles similar to those in Red Dead Redemption. Not the snipers, the unscoped rifles. So they do well long range, but can be used close range. Although RDR in a totally different game. But light rifles seem to be able to be used in aggression. About two shots with a bolt action and there is no flinch when shot. Semi autos see to take quite a few shots. But we'll have to see.

They aren't even snipers. So....

In a game like Operation Flashpoint (Never played it, sorry), that makes sense. If you're fighting at realistic distances (100 m+), you can afford to have everything be a OHK. Not in 5-10m firefights.

Games are made to be fun, and enjoyable. If you want fear, and realism I suggest you go enlist in the military.

One of the developers....

He also had this to say about one hit kills:
“One hit kills – when you’re some [censored] sniper up on a hill whose been camping there all game, having a great time. Having the time of your life, just kill, after kill, after kill, you know what? For the good time you’re having, you’re making five, ten people MISERABLE. That is a really bad ratio for us as developers. We would much rather say, “sorry sniper guy, there’s plenty of other games you can play, we’d like everybody else to have a good time now.”
- Richard Ham

Whats sad is that how absolutely every die-hard COD fan on the websites will rip your face off for suggesting that COD isn't realistic. Thing is your right, a person can't take 5-6 bullets to the chest, shoot the guy that shot him, then proceed to book it around the corner just to heal up and do it again 5 seconds later.
IRL without any sort of body armor, 1 bullet from a 9mm is all it takes to kill you, that one shot hits you anywhere in the torso and its going to do enough damage to either kill in minutes or hours (without immediate medical attention) if it doesn't outright kill you. you take that bullet to the arm or leg, the chances of using that arm or leg within the next few days is slim because of the damage it would do to the veins/arteries, muscle tissue, and bone, not to mention that the chances of bleeding out are pretty damn good if you don't have that medical attention ASAP. Now if you have that body armor, depending on the caliber of the gun and the kind of armor your wearing, its still gonna knock you around but probably won't punch through unless you hit a weak point or the same area several times, as for when it does go through, the bullet velocity will decrease enough that unless it hits something vital, your not dead until you bleed out but that bullet defiantly isn't leaving your body with the remaining velocity and thus doing considerable more damage if it bounces around once or twice.

For those of who on the Barrett .50 Cal, that thing is a [censored] beast rifle, the recoil on it will probably do more damage to you than the guy your shooting at if it isn't mounted and properly fired. The lightweight .50 cal rifles can be shot without mounting but absolutely MUST be done in prone with proper support or your going to be breaking your shoulder and that bullet will never make it to the target. (By the time it leaves the barrel the recoil would have already dropped you to the ground from the pain of the kick-back, and while that bullet is still in the barrel, direction of travel can change at the slightest motion of the barrel.) Same physics go with all rifles, longer barreled rifles have a greater chance of this occurring though. As for the 8 inches and your arm is gone from page 1, that is total [censored] bro, 8 inches is a long ass miss, within an 8th of an inch you'd do some damage, the subsonic waves that follow that bullet will probably tear open your skin/muscles at that distance, now if it passed an 8th of an inch from your head, your brain would be flattened to the back/side of your skull from that wave even if the outward physical damage looked minimal. Now if it hits you, dear god thats a whole different story, Nothing left of your brain bucket, big ass hole in the chest, or garunteed missing limbs, depending on the point of impact.

Now onto Hip fire [censored]. As was probably stated many times already, in every proper FPS game there is absolutely ZERO hip fire going on. The term 'From the hip' just means your not taking that extra half second to sight the gun. the bullet will still go where the barrel is pointing and will not randomly veer off to the side just cause your not ADS. the only games i have played so far that accurately does this is the Rainbow 6 series. While unmoving the shooter has a much better control over his/her rifle and thus the bullets go where he/she wants them too, BUT while moving that control is not as accurate and the gun will be bouncing around more because of your motion and thus you get your spread, the more you move, the bigger the spread. Even while ADS, motion will affect the spread because if the barrel even slightly twitches as the bullet is traveling thru it, the bullet goes to the spot in which it was pointing when it finally exits the barrel. Games like Operation Flashpoint also do a decent job at this kind of realism not only for damage but also for gun physics in the sense that the potential spread is minimal while not ADS and unmoving,

LOL! Really? I don't know if you have noticed...but BRINK isn't supposed to be "realistic". I seriously hope you were just making a joke.

While we are on the topic of realism...please explain how COD gameplay is "realistic". It's the most unrealistic crap I've ever seen. Running around stabbing people in the back is realistic? Running around with a noobtube shooting at will without getting tired and perfect accuracy is realistic? To use your line, have you ever shot an RPG? LOL.

BRINK isn't about realism. It's about balance in classes, shooting, movement, etc. That's what makes the game skillful. Not your severely unbalanced gameplay preferences. I'm part of the problem huh? LMFAO.