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Post » Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:55 am

after imperial attacked hammerfal, they attacked Skyrim, and on to morrowind. Indoril and the Temple Hierarchy remained Hostile, along with Dres and Redoran, however Telvanni was neutral. did hlaalu become an ally to the Imperials? i dont know what they mean by proposed accommodation. So indoril and dres took out the troops garrisoned in the west and began to fight guerrilla warfare style. But with hlaalu letting imperial troops be garrisoned in there area is it? and telvanni still neutral, redoran fought the empire by itself. Until Vivec and Talos (or was it at that time just normal Tiber Septim?) organized a treaty. However, there was more Inter-house fights (like Civil war) then fights against keeping the empire from fully controlling morrowind. If Tiber never realized how unstable morrowind was with the Inter-house struggles, he would probably have never went and took control over morrowind due to the fact that dunmer were known as "dreadful and fanatic foes". And after Morrowind has been taken over (not fully, but most of it) many indorils commit suicide, weakening the resistance?

am i right?
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Post » Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:53 am

I suppose that's about right...
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Post » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:03 am

after imperial attacked hammerfal, they attacked Skyrim, and on to morrowind. Indoril and the Temple Hierarchy remained Hostile, along with Dres and Redoran, however Telvanni was neutral. did hlaalu become an ally to the Imperials? i dont know what they mean by proposed accommodation. So indoril and dres took out the troops garrisoned in the west and began to fight guerrilla warfare style. But with hlaalu letting imperial troops be garrisoned in there area is it? and telvanni still neutral, redoran fought the empire by itself. Until Vivec and Talos (or was it at that time just normal Tiber Septim?) organized a treaty. However, there was more Inter-house fights (like Civil war) then fights against keeping the empire from fully controlling morrowind. If Tiber never realized how unstable morrowind was with the Inter-house struggles, he would probably have never went and took control over morrowind due to the fact that dunmer were known as "dreadful and fanatic foes". And after Morrowind has been taken over (not fully, but most of it) many indorils commit suicide, weakening the resistance?

am i right?


Nothing of the kind: Morrowind was annexed by the Empire without bloodshed when Vivec made peace with Tiber Septim. Morrowind got home rule; Tiber Septim got the trade in glass, ebony, and Dwemer artifacts, and more importantly Numidium.

While some on both sides were spoiling for a fight, particularly House Indoril, cooler heads remembered the carnage of the eighty years' war that ended the First Era and decided that "'jaw, jaw' is better than 'war, war'".
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Post » Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:50 am

Did Talos really attack Skyrim or convince much of the holds to join him through successes at Sancre Tor ad elsewhere, then mop up? And I'm sure he pacified the north before Hammerfell.
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Post » Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:56 am

idk, this is what i read on the book in Oblivion called: On Morrowind
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Post » Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:27 am

idk, this is what i read on the book in Oblivion called: On Morrowind


You didn't read that in On Morrowind. The only statement that any combat between Imperial and Dunmer occurred at all is

"Contrived border incidents in Black Marsh ended inconclusively"

Redoran did not fight the Empire. They may have been ready to, but

"The situation changed radically when Vivec appeared in person in Vivec City to announce his negotiation of a treaty with Emperor Tiber Septim, reorganizing Morrowind as a province of the Empire, but guaranteeing 'all rights of faith and self-government.'"

There were, however, some scores settled between Hlaalu and Indoril:
The Lord High Councilor of the Grand Council, an Indoril, refused to accept the treaty, and refused to step down. He was assassinated, and replaced by a Hlaalu. House Hlaalu took the opportunity to settle some old scores with House Indoril, and a number of local councils changed hands in bloody coups. More blood was shed in these inter-house struggles than against the Imperial Legions during Morrowind's transition from an independent nation to a province of the Empire.

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Post » Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:47 am

The Tribunal were ruling Morrowind at that time right?
It seems they're really not as good a leader as Nerevar, even with Vivec, Almalexia and Sotha Sil combined they seem to have trouble fighting the Imperials where as Nerevar single handedly united the Great Houses and ashlanders...

I wonder, would Nerevar have chosen to fight the Imperials rather than agreeing on a treaty...?
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Post » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:57 am

The Tribunal were ruling Morrowind at that time right?
It seems they're really not as good a leader as Nerevar, even with Vivec, Almalexia and Sotha Sil combined they seem to have trouble fighting the Imperials where as Nerevar single handedly united the Great Houses and ashlanders...

I wonder, would Nerevar have chosen to fight the Imperials rather than agreeing on a treaty...?


The then-greater Tribunal fought a then-lesser Empire to a bloody standoff a long time ago (see 2920). They remembered this and had no more stomach to repeat it than the Imperial generals did.

I don't know whether Nerevar was so fanatical as latter-day Indorils. Nor whether his united Dunmer would have succeeded in the war against the Dwemer, had the Dwemer not suddenly gone deus in machina.1

1Pardon my dog-Latin. "God into a machine."
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Post » Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:41 pm

Then isn't it deus in machinam?
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Post » Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:47 pm

Nerevar's reputation as a general is probably overblown. He knew how to take advice...by the time of Red Mountain...as, according to some sources, he used Ashlander scouts, thus employing their own tactics instead of those of the relatively organised Great House armies. He was also a very personal general, not one to sit in a tent somewhere and watch the battle surrounded by bodyguards. That may indicate that he was every bit as fanatical as the later Indoril, with little concern for personal safety, as he certainly wasn't an idiot.

This was also in a time when the Dunmer were more united between Ashlander, Great House, and slave raider - the tribes, the industrialists, the modernists, the traditionalists were more or less the same, culturally. Nerevar probably would have fought the Imperials, if he been a contemporary of Tiber Septim.

The Khanate of Resdayn (Khanate? Kingdom? Confederation?) was likely also larger then. I don't see the Chimer as the sort of people who wouldn't profit from the collapse of the Nordic empire. It's quite possible that Resdayn would have extended its northeastern borders far into modern Skyrim, and possibly further south into Black Marsh, although this is speculation.

But he'd have been much more successful at negotiating peace than the Tribunal were because of his ability to take advice (even though he sort of learned this a little later...), inspire unison (it's not easy to unite clans and tribes into one of the largest single states on the continent), but not make too much of a compromise (the Dwemer wouldn't be exterminated as long as they didn't interfere with the Chimeri religion).
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Post » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:33 am

It would seem Nerevar is a better leader than the Tribunal, especially with Azura on his side.
But Nerevar needed moon-and-star to help him out by making him a little more influential, maybe it means Nerevar was never very good at speechcraft... just a thought though.
Or maybe he didn't really needed it at all.
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Post » Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:27 am

oooooh so the guerilla war they say:

"Indoril and Dres proposed, rather than defend the western border, instead to withdraw to the interior and fight a guerilla war. With Hlaalu advocating accommodation, and Telvanni remaining neutral, Redoran therefore faced the prospect of standing alone against the Empire. "

They were talking about Black Marsh?

or was that if there WAS a possibility of an attack?
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Post » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:31 am

oooooh so the guerilla war they say:

"Indoril and Dres proposed, rather than defend the western border, instead to withdraw to the interior and fight a guerilla war. With Hlaalu advocating accommodation, and Telvanni remaining neutral, Redoran therefore faced the prospect of standing alone against the Empire. "

They were talking about Black Marsh?

or was that if there WAS a possibility of an attack?


They were talking about how they would defend Morrowind if invaded. None of that language gives me any reason to believe that any combat actually occurred. "Proposed" and "faced the prospect" indicate plans, or lack thereof, for combat to occur in the future, not present combat.
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Post » Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:09 pm

They were talking about how they would defend Morrowind if invaded. None of that language gives me any reason to believe that any combat actually occurred. "Proposed" and "faced the prospect" indicate plans, or lack thereof, for combat to occur in the future, not present combat.


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Post » Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:03 pm

Nerevar's reputation as a general is probably overblown. He knew how to take advice...by the time of Red Mountain...as, according to some sources, he used Ashlander scouts, thus employing their own tactics instead of those of the relatively organised Great House armies. He was also a very personal general, not one to sit in a tent somewhere and watch the battle surrounded by bodyguards. That may indicate that he was every bit as fanatical as the later Indoril, with little concern for personal safety, as he certainly wasn't an idiot.

This was also in a time when the Dunmer were more united between Ashlander, Great House, and slave raider - the tribes, the industrialists, the modernists, the traditionalists were more or less the same, culturally. Nerevar probably would have fought the Imperials, if he been a contemporary of Tiber Septim.

The Khanate of Resdayn (Khanate? Kingdom? Confederation?) was likely also larger then. I don't see the Chimer as the sort of people who wouldn't profit from the collapse of the Nordic empire. It's quite possible that Resdayn would have extended its northeastern borders far into modern Skyrim, and possibly further south into Black Marsh, although this is speculation.

But he'd have been much more successful at negotiating peace than the Tribunal were because of his ability to take advice (even though he sort of learned this a little later...), inspire unison (it's not easy to unite clans and tribes into one of the largest single states on the continent), but not make too much of a compromise (the Dwemer wouldn't be exterminated as long as they didn't interfere with the Chimeri religion).


One wonders if Solstheim was part of Resdayn. But the Five Songs of Wulfharth seem to imply the Nord/Orc armies did not face resistence until mainland Vvardenfell.
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