NPC Fatigue problem : IV

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:53 pm

I am encountering a kind of annoying problem in oblivion
The fatigue of some NPC's in my game is lowered to huge negative values.
This is not easily fixable by resetting the game world by waiting three days.
Here is a screenshot, my load order and a more thorough explanation:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d93/Dark_Lord_/ScreenShot6.png

Spoiler

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As you can see, the guard in the screenshot has a fatigue value of - 893.48.
This guard (along with several other NPC's) does not regenerate fatigue in this state.
When putting the fatigue of the guard to 0, the actual fatigue turns out to be - 1197.48.
Raising the fatigue artificially by using the console only works temporarily.
When i kill the NPC in question and resurrect him with the console, the problem persists.
It also persists when i disable and enable the fatigued character.
I also deactivated all my mods to see if there is a culprit among them, but even then the NPC's will not regenerate fatigue

Does someone here know the reason and/or solution to this problem? Thanks in advance.

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:15 pm

I haven't seen this problem in my current installation, but I remember encountering it previously. Random guards in Chorrol and the Imperial City would just be lying there, tempting me to steal their stuff.

Strange we have almost no mods in common except for OOO, MMM and Lore Dialogues. I can't think of anything else that could affect NPC's in that way. Try using http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21862 to diagnose the problem.

Edit: This is a long shot, but do you have guard_names.csv checked under import names in your bashed patch? Its the only other feature that I can think of that would alter guards somehow.

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:37 am

I have the same problem. I use OOO and MMM, also, but not Lore Dialogs. I had been thinking that Realistic Fatigue had something to do with it, so I uninstalled it, but it didn't fix the problem. I figured that RF just screwed up something that was unfixable just by uninstalling it. Did you guys use that mod?

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:48 am

I have the same problem. I use OOO and MMM, also, but not Lore Dialogs. I had been thinking that Realistic Fatigue had something to do with it, so I uninstalled it, but it didn't fix the problem. I figured that RF just screwed up something that was unfixable just by uninstalling it. Did you guys use that mod?

Do you use MMM′s Extra Wonding? Im not sure, but by its description maybe it touches the npc′s fatigue

"This extends MMM combat/wounding/fatigue system to NPCs / creature's that are not modified by MMM (Vanilla NPCs and Creatures, etc including those added by other mods)."

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:21 am

No, I don't.

Do you use MMM′s Extra Wonding? Im not sure, but by its description maybe it touches the npc′s fatigue

"This extends MMM combat/wounding/fatigue system to NPCs / creature's that are not modified by MMM (Vanilla NPCs and Creatures, etc including those added by other mods)."

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:30 pm

I haven't seen this problem in my current installation, but I remember encountering it previously. Random guards in Chorrol and the Imperial City would just be lying there, tempting me to steal their stuff.

Strange we have almost no mods in common except for OOO, MMM and Lore Dialogues. I can't think of anything else that could affect NPC's in that way. Try using http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21862 to diagnose the problem.

Edit: This is a long shot, but do you have guard_names.csv checked under import names in your bashed patch? Its the only other feature that I can think of that would alter guards somehow.

Thanks for the tip about refscope. I just used the mod on one of the lazy guards and the only 2 things i found that could be worth mentioning are 'script 04006FDF' defined by Marts Monster Mod.ESM and the Fatigue effects by Realistic fatigue. But then again, i do not really know where to look at. I just looked at every option.

About the Guard_names.CSV: I do have checked the CSV, but this problem is not just affecting the guards. Falcar from the mages guild quest Ambush was also lying down before the entrance of Silorn.

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:49 pm

Thanks for the tip about refscope. I just used the mod on one of the lazy guards and the only 2 things i found that could be worth mentioning are 'script 04006FDF' defined by Marts Monster Mod.ESM and the Fatigue effects by Realistic fatigue. But then again, i do not really know where to look at. I just looked at every option.|

I have seen a couple thread's on the this exact same problem over the past few weeks. And the advice is this for now

Disable extra wounding esp that should make a difference. Else turn off Realistic fatique.

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:50 am

I have seen a couple thread's on the this exact same problem over the past few weeks. And the advice is this for now

Disable extra wounding esp that should make a difference. Else turn off Realistic fatique.

I have disabled both mods. will that fix the problem over time or do i have to use some console codes to 'wake up' the lazy guards?

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:08 pm

I have disabled both mods. will that fix the problem over time or do i have to use some console codes to 'wake up' the lazy guards?

I've had a Few games where that would affect my CM_Partners, they seemed to be pretty much Doomed by that point.
I'll have to see if I can find an old one to check for the Mart's wounding...

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:57 am

I never had extra wounding and I disabled and uninstalled completedly realistic fatigue. It has not fixed the problem.

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:47 pm

I never had extra wounding and I disabled and uninstalled completedly realistic fatigue. It has not fixed the problem.

I'm not sure you can correct it once it's in your save... :shrug:

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:35 pm

Reset the fatigue by clicking and doing "setav fatigue 5000" (or some other number.)

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:36 pm

Already done that, but the afflicted people get a negative fatigue again when you shut oblivion down and start it up again

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:02 pm

I'm not sure you can correct it once it's in your save... :shrug:

I agree with you. I do believe I am stuck with the problem for the rest of the game with this character. I'll just have to look the other way, pretend I didn't see it.

» Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:08 pm

I've had a Few games where that would affect my CM_Partners, they seemed to be pretty much Doomed by that point.
I'll have to see if I can find an old one to check for the Mart's wounding...

I'm pretty sure that I've had the extra wounding active in all the games I've had problems with, I've only seen the NPCs efected a couple of times, but my CM_Partners were having Major issues, I've pretty much abandonded those games, not necassarly because of that so much, just that every time I start a new "Test" game, it's too hard to go back...
One issue I noticed with the CM_Partners, is "Randi" had a "missing name" item in her inventory(witch I aquired via a "Take All" share option) witch turned out as a Mart's, (I belive it was) No Blood token (or similar)