What exactly is AE

Post » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:21 am

Just a basical question, many people refer to AE and something about a loveletter. Has this something to do with CHIM, something I understand very little. Can somebody explain? What do these terms stand for?
User avatar
Stace
 
Posts: 3455
Joined: Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:52 pm

Post » Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:42 pm

"AE" is a connecter. If I remember right, it means something like with/and.

Quote from the Translation Dictionary:

CHIM
Meaning: An ancient sigil connoting 'royalty', 'starlight', and 'high splendor'. As with most characters of that dangerous language, the sigil CHIM constantly distorts itself. Those scholars that can perceive its shape regard it as a Crowned Tower that threatens to break apart at the slightest break in concentration.
Origin: Ehlnofex
Usage: None Given
Source: More on Psijic Endeavour and The Thirty-Six Lessons of Vivec: Sermon Twelve
Reliable: Yes
User avatar
Tikarma Vodicka-McPherson
 
Posts: 3426
Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:15 am

Post » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:58 pm

In context, AE is found in Elhnofex languages denoting the equivalence of two nouns.
'is' or 'and'
Vehk Ae Seht Ae Alma
Vivec is Sotha Sil is Almalexia
Vivec and Sotha Sil and Almalexia [are all one]

Used on its own, it represents the connection between all things: the totality of the universe. I believe it has been used to describe the process of dead souls returning to the greater universe that spawned them, then the Dreamsleeve takes care of them.

Chim involves fully recognizing the indivisible nature of the universe, but holding onto individuality despite the horrible truth that you have none. This requires considerable badassery, or as the Chim sigil puts it, 'royalty.'
User avatar
Jon O
 
Posts: 3270
Joined: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:48 pm

Post » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:51 pm

Is AE referring to Anu/IS?
User avatar
Charleigh Anderson
 
Posts: 3398
Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:17 am

Post » Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:44 am

It refers to the two opposites together. So it refers to the Aldmeri vision of Anu (which refers to the entity existing before the split into the opposite forces.)
User avatar
Laura Richards
 
Posts: 3468
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:42 am

Post » Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:46 am

So Ae is the opposite of CHIM, AE coming from the vision of most Aldmer (everything is one totality, lorkhan is a trickster, creation is bad, this world is bad--> negative vision), and CHIM states that you also have an indivituality, so don't nessicarily have a predestination you can't escape. -->positive vision on the world, supported mostly by men.
Am I right?
User avatar
Kit Marsden
 
Posts: 3467
Joined: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:19 pm

Post » Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:21 pm

i'd say not really. as it was stated, AE is duality, the split existence of our world, subdivision; though it also hints at unity through its role as an Ehlnofex connector. CHIM does not deny AE and actually plays into it - CHIM is about realizing that everyone is the same single being but still able to retain individuality after that. to achieve CHIM to to overcome split existence (AE), but they do not contradict each other, as everyone still continues to live within the subcreated world.

not sure how clear that was, i got up 10 minutes ago.
User avatar
Nichola Haynes
 
Posts: 3457
Joined: Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:54 pm

Post » Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:50 am

one last question about this: the Tower means the same as CHIM, doesn't it?
User avatar
Rachyroo
 
Posts: 3415
Joined: Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:23 pm

Post » Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:57 am

one last question about this: the Tower means the same as CHIM, doesn't it?


Moreso, it [Chim] is the essence needed to hold that 'dawning' together without disaster. - Teachings


Chim is the secret that lets you holds the realisation of the Tower together.
User avatar
Killer McCracken
 
Posts: 3456
Joined: Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:57 pm

Post » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:25 am

The Tower is the cosmic concept of individuality and selfishness. It is also the "shape" of the Chim sigil.
User avatar
Ellie English
 
Posts: 3457
Joined: Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:47 pm

Post » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:38 am

http://www.executedtoday.com/images/Tarot_Hanged_Man.jpg
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/105292/1/Christ$27s-Troubled-Sleep-From-Milton$27s-$27paradise-Regained$27,-Book-IV-Lines-401-25,-C.1816-18.jpg (elucidate the meaning.)
User avatar
Dawn Farrell
 
Posts: 3522
Joined: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:02 am

Post » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:20 am

I'm not sure linking to a Tarrot card without explanation is much help to anybody. Without explanation I'm not even sure it is the right card, http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/basics/tower.shtml actually seems to come closer. The Tower symbolizes the lies he, (the fool, the Aurbis, the priest) held about himself, everything he created before enlightenment. It's destruction, letting go of those things, stands in for being able to see your self as a part of it.

Though, I could also make arguments to add a few more cards to the mix as the Tarrot story seems to have a longer, more phased concept of transcendence.
User avatar
Cartoon
 
Posts: 3350
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:31 pm

Post » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:56 am

I thought he was making more of a "perspective" reference rather than a direct reference to what the Tower represents.

Being Divine Comedy ignorant (sadly and ridiculously), I don't really have an idea of how that's CHIM that I'm really confident in.
User avatar
Christie Mitchell
 
Posts: 3389
Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:44 pm

Post » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:31 am

How much of this Ehlnofex is actually known? All I can think of is:
ALTADOON - weapon
CHIM - a sigil canotating royalty and starlight
AE - discussed in this topic
Is that all?
User avatar
Stephanie Nieves
 
Posts: 3407
Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:52 pm

Post » Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:00 am

Fair points.

By the hanged man card I meant the Tower as an Activity, so to speak. You might say the hanged man is ascending the Tower, or what it means to ascend the Tower. If I found a good picture of Odin on Yggdrasil, I could have linked to that for a similar effect.

The CHIM picture was intended to suggest lucid dreaming, which is a way of pointing towards CHIM.

And the very nature of lucid dreaming is why I didn't offer a full explanation for the pictures (and still haven't!).

http://www.imperial-library.info/translation/
User avatar
Evaa
 
Posts: 3502
Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:11 am

Post » Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:12 am

The sleeping Christ figure and the clever use of the word "elucidate" did make me thing of lucid dreaming. Sadly, I didn't jump on that idea. The depiction of god, the serpent, and that three headed...thing threw me off a little.
User avatar
Mandy Muir
 
Posts: 3307
Joined: Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:38 pm


Return to The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion