Hello,

My game keeps crashing when i get near Kvatch and its always at the exact same spot where it crashes.

Here is my mod list:

00 Oblivion.esm
01 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
02 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
03 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
04 Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
05 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
06 EnhancedWeather.esm [Version 1.4]
07 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
08 Better Cities Resources.esm
09 CURP_Controller.esm
0A Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.7]
0B DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0C SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp [Version 1.05]
0D Better Cities .esp
++ LoadingScreens.esp
0E EnhancedWeather.esp [Version 1.3.5]
++ EnhancedWeather - Darker Nights, 50.esp [Version Final]
0F Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
10 MIS.esp
11 MIS Low Wind.esp
12 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
13 Storms & Sound.esp
14 Rainbows.esp
15 ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp
16 ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]
17 RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.7]
18 RAEVWD Imperial City.esp [Version 1.7]
19 Living Economy.esp
1A Living Economy - Items.esp
1B Cutthroat Merchants.esp
1C Choices and Consequences.esp [Version 2.02]
1D DLCHorseArmor.esp
1E DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
1F SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp [Version 1.11]
20 DLCOrrery.esp
21 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
22 SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp [Version 1.11]
23 DLCVileLair.esp
24 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
++ SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp [Version 1.21]
25 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
26 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
27 SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp [Version 1.11]
28 DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
29 DLCThievesDen.esp
2A DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
2B DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]
2C SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp [Version 1.2]
2D Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
2E Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
2F OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]
30 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33]
++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]
31 Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp [Version 2.0]
32 Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
33 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - LessReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
34 Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
35 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
36 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
37 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
38 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
39 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp [Version 1.39c]
3A TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp [Version 1.39c]
3B TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
3C ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]
3D Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp
3E KvatchRising.esp
3F VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
40 VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
41 Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp [Version 1.3.1]
42 za_bankmod.esp
43 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
44 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
45 SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp [Version 1.2]
46 DLCFrostcrag.esp
47 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
48 SM Plugin Refurbish - FrostCrag.esp [Version 1.2]
49 Knights.esp
4A Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
++ SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp [Version 1.06]
4B Choices and Consequences - SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp [Version 2.0]
++ Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
4C xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.3]
4D xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.1]
4E xulTheHeath.esp
4F XulEntiusGorge.esp
50 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
51 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
52 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
53 mythsandlegends.esp
54 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.3]
55 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
56 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]
57 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.2]
58 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
59 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
5A xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
5B xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
5C xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.2]
5D xulPantherRiver.esp
5E xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
5F xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.2]
60 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.3]
61 xulBlackwoodForest.esp
62 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
63 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.1]
64 Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
65 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
66 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
67 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
68 anb.esp
69 RealisticForceMedium.esp
6A RealisticMagicForceMedium.esp
6B attack and hide medium v2.0.esp
6C RenGuardOverhaul.esp
6D RealisticLeveling.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement.esp [Version 0.76]
** Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53]
** Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53]
6E bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
6F Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
70 Better Cities Full.esp
71 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
72 Better Imperial City.esp
73 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
74 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2]
75 Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
76 Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]
77 Side's EAX Control.esp
78 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
79 Streamline 3.1.esp
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I use Wyre bash, OBMM and BOSS, still i cant find the error

I notice you have Vaults of Cyrodiil, Clocks of Cyrodiil & better cities. BC contains replacers for both of these, so they need to be deactivated (if they arn't already, that is).

I'm no expert and can't help you any more except to say when posting your LO you should:
Go into Wrye Bash> right click on list mods & paste that into the forum. (As it contains more detailed info on your setup & has the spoiler tags added to save our poor mouse wheels!)

EDIT: Clicking on the mod checker in Wrye Bash may reveal a few things you need to take care of....it did for me anyhow.

I posted the more detailed LO now, but i dont get the mod checker. When i open mod checker nothing happens.
How does that work?

Mismatched Version esm and esp could be the problem.

Replace your OOO.esp (1.33 version) with one from the 1.34 Update rebuild bash patched wait x amount of days and see if problem continues..

Update to UOP 3.2.7

Update Harvest Flora to 3.0.1 - redownload to make sure has version tag was never updated ..

If nothing happens that's a good thing! It just means there are no issue's that the mod checker can pick up. When you say nothing do you mean a report window open with nothing in it yes? If so that's fine. The more detailed LO can be put in a more forum friendly format if you wish just enter this without the spaces :
[ s p o i l e r ] Your LO [ / s p o i l e r ]

I would like to help you more but I'm a noob myself so anyone else wanna take a shot??
EDIT: scratch that CorePC to the rescue! lol

15 ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp
16 ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp

It'a already been pointed out, but I figured I'd specify more clearly - in your case #16 is the one you want to keep, it's a total replacement ESP for #15. You are running the game with duplicate clocks everywhere.

4C xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.3]

The last two version updated for this solved some crash bugs, not Kvatch related, but you may as well update that (and any other ULs too) in order to eliminate more problems.

05 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
09 CURP_Controller.esm

Which mods are you using that require these? I don't recognize anything from Giskard's collection in you LO. May as well drop them too if you don't need them.

Those mods are needed to play Kvatch Rising. Its a new Kvatch mod which looked better then Aftermath and Rebuilt.
I looked at deactevating this mod, but no result. The game still crashes near Kvatch.
Ill look into updating the things you guys recommended and ill post back if it helped or not.
Thank you for your replies.

This kind of sounds like the Maiq AI bug, though UOP 3.2.7 is in place...

Well... i updated the mods and it still crashes

Edit: I found problem.. the hot fix of UOP 3.2.7 is causing the crash. I find this very weird though.
Going back to previous version of UOP fixed the problem for me

I just had a similar problem with a new game and isolated it to UOP 3.2.7.

Started out in Anvil traveling towards Kvatch following the road. When approaching Gottshaw, the game would always crash, even with UOP as the only mod active.

I removed the following change mentioned in the readme from the hot fix:

* Enabled the legion patrol rider at Gottshaw that was disabled for unknown reasons.

This fixed the problem, strange indeed...

Hmm maybe that's reason of the famous crash near Anvil/Kvatch/Skingrad

Well, im glad there is a solution to fix this, though i dont know how to remove that particulair change.
Ill wait for the next hotfix and see if the change is reversed
Thnx all for your replies

And that's the UOP Changes for 3.2.5 - before the Maiq AI changes!

(edit:)

Is this the record to be changed back? <- http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3284/gottshawrider.png

Use TES4Edit. Find the NPC's Gottshaw inn area cell, and disable the guard's placement. In order to get the block and subblock for the cell 1) launch the game and go to the area near the inn 2) open up the console and look at the cell coordinates in the top-left corner (if they are not there, use the console command 'sdt 2') 3) use http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5703 to find the corresponding block and subblock for those coordinates 4) launch TES4Edit (making sure that at least the UOP is checked), and expand the corresponding block and subblock in the WORLD branch of the UOP. 5) Search the subblock for the a reference placing the guard, and disable it.



Edit: Exactly, in the record header, haha (if my memory has not completely failed me...)

I feel for you. I have the same exact problem. Only way to avoid it is to run UOP 3.2. Hotfix 325, 326, and 327 crash at exact same spot. I tried with no mods, just vanilla and UOP to verify. You are the 3rd person I know of that has the problem. I gave up and attribute it to some curse.

The Mai'q patch does not help.

I run Win7 Pro 64bit.

I tried on a WinXP 32 bit install also on same computer with same result.

SO it has to be a cursed machine.

As this is VERY rare, unklikely anyone will find an answer. If someone does they should be awarded some reward for sure.

The guard issue is a separate issue from the (possible) AI bug. I had the going from Skingrad to Anvil problem before the "Supplemental" releases. Did you try the disabling the guard?

Yep, that's it... I also removed the E1 record above it (the horse)

I would but that IS WAY OVER MY HEAD. I have vacation coming up so may give it a shot. However, since 99.99999% of the people do not have the issue I still think ii is related to my specific hardware. Ca't think of any other explanation except the curse.

You already found the record, and that is the hard part. I think that the flag record is one on which you can right-click and the flags will be listed. You can just choose disabled from there. Another cheap way to go about it would be to delete the reference, and then use TES4Edits plugin cleaning command 'undelete and disable' afterward, haha. (Note: You do not want the record 'initially disabled', you want it plain 'disabled'.)