I've been having some weird problems lately that keep reoccurring and I've been trying to figure out which of my mods is causing the problems. One problem I keep having is that randomly, an empty container will popup when my character is just walking and will continually popup over and over until I have to quit to restart. Another is a weird CTD I've been getting in the Oblivion tower in Kvatch's gate. I get up to the 2nd floor and when I use block it will crash usually and will eventually crash whenever I try to get beyond that point by other means. I use Streamline but the CTDs aren't stopping. Trying to load an autosave gets me a message saying "Save file is corrupted". I use FCOM and many other mods, and the problems only started recently to my knowledge, after downloading Vows and Covenants. Thought that might be the reason but I still CTD when I disable it. Heres my load order:
Oblivion.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
FCOM_Convergence.esm
Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
Cobl Main.esm
underdark.esm
HorseCombatMaster.esm
BetterMusicSystem.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
TamrielTravellers.esm
Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
Toaster Says Share v3.esm
DrowFortressDark.esm
CustomSpellIcons.esm
cssBase.esm
CM Partners.esm
X.Races.Comp.esm
Halfling.esm
Tiefling race.esm
Energy - Beautiful Elves.esm
Mulan.esm
DrowRacesofFaerun.esm
Oblivifall Master File.esm
MathFunctions.esm
ScreenEffects.esm
UnnecessaryViolence.esm
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
FCOM_Francescos.esp
Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp
Blackmarsh.esp
FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp
Valenwood.esp
LoadingScreens.esp
TRoN.esp
CapesandCloaks.esp
Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp
FCOM_BobsArmory.esp
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
FCOM_WarCry.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
FCOM_Convergence.esp
FCOM_RealSwords.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
PCSoundAnomen.esp
ConduitMagic.esp
SupremeMagicka.esp
MidasSpells.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
Visual Enchantments v1.0.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Extra Robe Pack.esp
Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
WindowLightingSystem.esp
LostTelvanniCodex.esp
300_Classes.esp
TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp
FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp
FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp
FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp
Cobl Si.esp
OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp
FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp
LoadingScreens-OOO.esp
FCOM_Archery.esp
FCOM_Cobl.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
Knights.esp
FCOM_Knights.esp
JOTN script effect replacer.esp
Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp
FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp
Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp
CM Partners.esp
Bullettimemodsetkey.esp
MMM-Cobl.esp
TeachSpell.esp
ViconiaChapterTwo.esp
cssImoen.esp
cssKeldorn.esp
Druid.esp
cssMazzy.esp
cssNalia.esp
cssRhett.esp
_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp
cssCernd.esp
300 White Stallion 4 - OOO.esp
cssJaheira.esp
cssSafana.esp
KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp
Nords With Beards.esp
X.Races.Comp.esp
Dwarfs.esp
Halfling.esp
Cliff_BetterLetters.esp
Quest Award Leveling.esp
Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp
Cliff_Roleplayingcharacter.esp
MofMagecraft1.7.esp
Better Redguard v2.esp
Cobl Races.esp
Cobl Races TNR.esp
Cobl Races TNR SI.esp
Guards.esp
Tiefling race.esp
Weapon Magic.esp
EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp
EVE_KhajiitFix.esp
EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp
EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp
EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp
EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp
Elvenguard.esp
Galadhrim_EV.esp
DnD_Classes.esp
The Complete Ranger.esp
spellshield2.esp
ScreenControls.esp
Energy - Beautiful Elves.esp
MOM-OpenCities.esp
nt_CompanionForceEquip.esp
Bedrollsanyone.esp
Francesco's Mage Equipment.esp
Caster Buffs_01.esp
Side's Sailing Ships (COBL).esp
Mage Equipment.esp
BetterMusicSystem(Elsweyr).esp
Capucines Character Expansion - No NPC Change.esp
TSS Custom Companion Template.esp
Mighty Magick - Settings.esp
MC_Staff_Pack.esp
Mighty Magick - Skills.esp
SnowAndHarukoCMPartners.esp
actors_in_charge.esp
Ice Elves and Wolf Elves.esp
Companion Postal Service.esp
Mighty Magick - Spells and Creatures.esp
Fransfemale.esp
MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
JG Elven.esp
KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp
ActorsInMadness.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
bgMagicEVStartspells.esp
bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp
NWJtamriel4MMM.esp
DATiamsGirls.esp
Raiders of Cyrodil.esp
Side's Sailing Ships.esp
Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esp
DAFeria.esp
Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp
Tchos Alchemy Tower.esp
DrowFortressDarkDoors.esp
KotN Wayshrine Fix.esp
bartholm.esp
bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp
GGIlli.esp
Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
CNRP Bruma4OOO.esp
CNRP Chorrol4OOO.esp
CNRP Cheydinhal4OOO.esp
CNRP FightersGuild4OOO.esp
Vvardenfell_Imports.esp
OC+Imports Patch.esp
Telekinetic Mastery.esp
Chargeable Spells by grmblf.esp
CNRP DB for OOO.esp
DMRangerArmor.esp
ElsweyrAnequina.esp
Valenwood_Anequina_Patch.esp
DID3_DoubleTrouble.esp
RenGuardOverhaul.esp
RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
Judgement of the Nine.esp
Better Cities .esp
Open Better Cities FULL.esp
Open Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
ShippingInCyrodiil_BC_comp_V1-1.esp
FearsomeMagicka.esp
Symphony of Violence.esp
ishmaelselvishmithril.esp
Forgotten Realms.esp
ScriptEffectIconReplace.esp
turnundeadrestoration.esp
Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp
LightSpellWhite.esp
Status Bars.esp
Daried.esp
Vows and Covenants.esp
Streamline 3.1.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
SM_DeadlyReflex.esp
UnnecessaryViolence.esp
NoThump.esp
ATakesAll.esp


Please help if you can, these glitches are driving me nuts.

Thanks in advance
Leold

You are not using BOSS, and your load order needs it. My first clue is that you have Bob's Armory loading after the FCOM-Bob's Armory plugin.

Your load order does not show a bashed patch - which is required for FCOM to work correctly, and it will help with all those race mods you are using.

I would start with the above two points.

gothemasticator

Oh my. Your load order is all out of whack. This may not be the culprit of the CTD's but it will certainly cause issues. Find BOSS on the Tesnexus and download that and the optional file (its the latest load order list). Download and read the readme and use it. It will sort your load order out for you.

After your load order is fixed, rebuild your bashed patch. I can't go through and explain how it all works, so hopefully you already know about the bashed patch. It seems like a hassle to trebuild your bashed patch but its necessary and doing so will allow you to run most mods together without conflict.

After you've done these, come back and let us know if you are still having problems. Also, posting your computer specs may be helfpul, as it could easily be a hardware issue. Hows your performance? Stuttery and slow? Or smooth?

Also, the most detailed, informative kind of load order you can post is from within Wrye Bash (what a surprise, eh? it slices, dices...) - it even gives you the spoiler and code tags that make it more suitable for posting here.

It really does help, when you want people to anolyse your config.

Wooow, brother!
Well, i remember 2 years ago people made comments about my load order too.
Just read and learn, brother, read and learn. It will come.

Thanks for the replies all.

I actually do use BOSS but I think it may need updating because when I use it I usually have to manually change the order cuz it will cause better open cities to conflict badly with unique landscapes but I will try updating it to see if it will help.

I've got a bashed patch too but I'm not completely sure how to use it because I thought bashed patches go at the end of load orders but wyre bash always places it in the middle or towards the front. I'm wondering if that order is affecting the rebuild. How do I tell wyre bash to let BOSS just handle the load order cuz everytime I use it changes everything and causes increased conflicts.

My computer runs well with most games so It really isn't the specs that changes the performance it's DLing a million mods XD. Yet I keep going because they enhance the game so much. I probably would find Oblivion boring without FCOM, DR, UV, UL, and the magicka overhauls. But anyways, I have a Intel duo core CPU 4.00 GHz, 4 GB of RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 graphics card, and OS is windows 7 64 bit.

I'll try rebuiling patch after moving it down the load order next to see what it gets me then update BOSS and see if it can fix my load order some.

Thanks
Leold

Be sure to turn "Lock Times" off in Wrye Bash, and Right Click File tab in Mods window and Select Sort By Load Order...

Hmmm... I updated BOSS and rebuilt my patch but I'm still getting these CTD issues. On the other hand, I'm no longer getting those ugly red conflict highlights in wyre bash. So I'm still not sure what the problem may be. I don't think any of my mods directly impact or change any cells in planes of Oblivion but maybe so. I'm also wondering if maybe its not telling me, but the save I'm using is already corrupted. Here's my new load order from wyre bash's list:

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  underdark.esm02  MathFunctions.esm03  ScreenEffects.esm04  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm05  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm06  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.71]07  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]08  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]09  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0A  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0B  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]0C  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0D  Better Cities Resources.esm0E  BetterMusicSystem.esm0F  cssBase.esm  [Version 1.1]10  CM Partners.esm11  Toaster Says Share v3.esm12  DrowRacesofFaerun.esm13  CustomSpellIcons.esm14  HorseCombatMaster.esm15  UnnecessaryViolence.esm16  Oblivifall Master File.esm  [Version 1.0]17  DrowFortressDark.esm18  X.Races.Comp.esm19  Halfling.esm1A  Tiefling race.esm1B  Energy - Beautiful Elves.esm1C  Mulan.esm1D  TRoN.esp1E  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]1F  DLCShiveringIsles.esp20  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]21  Better Cities .esp22  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp23  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp24  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp25  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp26  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]27  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]28  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]29  LoadingScreens.esp2A  Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp2B  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp2C  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp2D  Symphony of Violence.esp2E  PCSoundAnomen.esp  [Version 2.6]2F  WindowLightingSystem.esp30  Bedrollsanyone.esp31  CNRP Bruma4OOO.esp  [Version 0.2]32  CNRP Chorrol4OOO.esp  [Version 1.1]33  CNRP FightersGuild4OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]34  CNRP DB for OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]35  CNRP Cheydinhal4OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]36  DID3_DoubleTrouble.esp37  LostTelvanniCodex.esp38  Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp39  Vows and Covenants.esp3A  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp3B  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp3C  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp3D  CapesandCloaks.esp3E  DMRangerArmor.esp3F  Extra Robe Pack.esp40  Galadhrim_EV.esp41  JG Elven.esp42  MC_Staff_Pack.esp43  Vvardenfell_Imports.esp44  Francesco's Mage Equipment.esp45  300_Classes.esp46  ishmaelselvishmithril.esp47  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]48  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp49  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.69]4A  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]4B  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp4C  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4D  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp4E  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4F  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]50  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]51  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]52  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]53  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]54  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp  [Version 1.39c]55  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]56  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]57  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]58  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]59  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5A  Fransfemale.esp5B  LoadingScreens-OOO.esp5C  NWJtamriel4MMM.esp5D  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]5E  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp5F  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp60  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp61  Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp62  Guards.esp63  300 White Stallion 4 - OOO.esp64  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp65  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp66  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp67  Raiders of Cyrodil.esp68  Side's Sailing Ships.esp69  Side's Sailing Ships (COBL).esp6A  Tchos Alchemy Tower.esp6B  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp6C  Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp6D  Knights.esp6E  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp6F  KotN Wayshrine Fix.esp70  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp71  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]72  FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp  [Version 0.9.9]73  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp74  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]75  Blackmarsh.esp76  Valenwood.esp77  ElsweyrAnequina.esp78  BetterMusicSystem(Elsweyr).esp79  Valenwood_Anequina_Patch.esp7A  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp  [Version 1.3]7B  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.3]7C  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.1]7D  xulTheHeath.esp7E  XulEntiusGorge.esp7F  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]80  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]81  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]82  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.3]83  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]84  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]85  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.2]86  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]87  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]88  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]89  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]8A  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.2]8B  xulPantherRiver.esp8C  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]8D  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]8E  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.3]8F  xulBlackwoodForest.esp90  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]91  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]92  bartholm.esp93  Open Better Cities FULL.esp94  Open Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp95  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp96  Bullettimemodsetkey.esp97  Cliff_BetterLetters.esp  [Version 1.1]98  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp99  ATakesAll.esp9A  The Complete Ranger.esp9B  Quest Award Leveling.esp9C  Cliff_Roleplayingcharacter.esp  [Version 2.1]9D  Chargeable Spells by grmblf.esp9E  ConduitMagic.esp9F  TeachSpell.espA0  Telekinetic Mastery.esp  [Version 2]A1  Judgement of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.2]A2  MofMagecraft1.7.espA3  Mighty Magick - Settings.espA4  Mighty Magick - Spells and Creatures.espA5  Mighty Magick - Skills.espA6  SupremeMagicka.espA7  bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp  [Version 1.5]----> Delinquent MASTER: bgMagicEV.espA8  MidasSpells.espA9  FearsomeMagicka.espAA  Weapon Magic.espAB  RenGuardOverhaul.espAC  RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.espAD  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.espAE  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.86]AF  Druid.espB0  actors_in_charge.espB1  ActorsInMadness.espB2  ScriptEffectIconReplace.espB3  JOTN script effect replacer.espB4  EVE_KhajiitFix.espB5  Better Redguard v2.espB6  Nords With Beards.espB7  Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esp  [Version 1.0]B8  Capucines Character Expansion - No NPC Change.espB9  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.espBA  Ice Elves and Wolf Elves.esp**  IDKRRR_C_race.espBB  Energy - Beautiful Elves.espBC  X.Races.Comp.esp**  Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.espBD  TSS Custom Companion  Template.espBE  Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.espBF  CM Partners.esp**  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp**  CM Partners NPC.esp**  CM Partners More NPCs.esp**  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp**  AsharasCMPartners.espC0  Companion Postal Service.espC1  cssRhett.esp  [Version 1.0]C2  cssCernd.esp  [Version 1.1]C3  cssImoen.esp  [Version 1.1]C4  cssJaheira.esp  [Version 1.1]C5  cssKeldorn.esp  [Version 1.1]C6  cssMazzy.esp  [Version 1.1]C7  cssNalia.esp  [Version 1.1]C8  cssSafana.esp  [Version 1.1]C9  SnowAndHarukoCMPartners.espCA  DAFeria.espCB  DATiamsGirls.espCC  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]CD  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]CE  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]CF  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]D0  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]D1  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]D2  KT_CustomRaceFix.espD3  Better Imperial City.espD4  ScreenControls.espD5  Visual Enchantments v1.0.espD6  LightSpellWhite.espD7  UnnecessaryViolence.espD8  ViconiaChapterTwo.espD9  Bashed Patch, 0.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: Dwarfs.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: Halfling.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: Tiefling race.espDA  Streamline 3.1.espDB  Dwarfs.espDC  Halfling.espDD  Tiefling race.esp++  MyTweaks.espDE  Elvenguard.esp  [Version 2.1]DF  DnD_Classes.espE0  spellshield2.espE1  MOM-OpenCities.espE2  nt_CompanionForceEquip.espE3  Caster Buffs_01.espE4  Daried.esp**  Mulan.espE5  DrowFortressDarkDoors.espE6  GGIlli.esp  [Version 1.05a]E7  OC+Imports Patch.espE8  ShippingInCyrodiil_BC_comp_V1-1.espE9  Forgotten Realms.espEA  turnundeadrestoration.espEB  Status Bars.esp  [Version 1.1]EC  NoThump.esp

Thanks for the load order help so far, feel free to reply if you feel you can help

Leold

Have you cleaned your mods with TES4Edit? I use Kvatch Aftermath in my setup and if I don't clean the mods, especially any dealing with changes to Kvatch, I get lots of CTD problems around it. Especially in the Oblivion gate. I know this is adding something more to do but it is well worth it in the long run. It will make your entire game run much better. You will need to do a lot more reading before doing it as there are some mods you don't want to mess with. I suggest TomLong's site "tesivPOSItive.animolious.com" for guides on tweaking your setup. It's the most comprehensive site for guides and links on tweaking. Good luck and hope this may help a bit.

The "Delinquent Master" warnings in your list indicate that your are missing required master plugins or that the masters are loaded after the mod that depends on them. It looks like you are missing the BG - EV plugin, which your load order requires.

The delinquent master listings on the bashed patch refer to the mods you are allowing to load after the bashed patch. I am assuming those were unrecognized by BOSS. You'll need to reorder them by hand. They should definitely go before the bashed patch, though. Also, it would be nice to report them in the BOSS thread, so that they can be added to new versions of the masterlist.

I'm not sure you need/want to be using COBL Races alongside all the custom races you are adding. In fact, race plugins are kind of complicated and picky. If I were you, I would spend some time in the readmes of the various race mods and iron out any compatibility issues.

Your bashed patch is not configured correctly. I can tell, because many of the FCOM plugins are marked mergeable, but they are not merged in your load order. Basically, Wrye Bash and BOSS tag mods with appropriate options in the bashed patch options menu. So, when you rebuild the patch, it's usually good to go ahead and check the options supplied. There are some exceptions, but those should be listed in the readmes of your various mods.

UOP vampire face plugin is now obsolete. There is a bashed patch option that covers it. It is in Tweaks, I believe.

Finally, some of your crashes may just be system overload. Open Better Cities and FCOM both add a lot of stress to the system. I would suggest switching to Open Cities, which is still actively supported and does not carry system stress that Better Cities and Open Better Cities does.

As a final note, I think I've only ever seen someone use MMM without using any of the various optional plugins before! You might want to look through those in order to customize your installation.

gothemasticator

Well I read up on cleaning mods and cleaned a number of mine, notably Kvatch Rebuilt and some others. My other saves are playing much better after cleaning them and load pretty nicely but the same problems persist on my character that's within kvatch's oblivion gate.

I'm searching for the problem by experimenting with that save and found a number of strange glitches. One was my lost paladins flaming sword which has a flame effect that's much taller than the sword is, which is off. If I try to wait the problem out, I get a container popup that will continually come up no matter how many times I close it. Otherwise I'll just CTD. Reloading a streamline save shows it's not corrupted but I crash almost immediately when trying to make progress.

Fortunately, Ive got a prior save before going to kvatch with the same character so if the save can't be salvaged I'll just start a ways back and try kvatch again to see if it's not just the save.

As for the Delinquent Master warnings, some I was somewhat expecting because to use some of the companion mods to make my own companions in the CS I made the races master files so they could be used. I'm not sure why the BG-EV esp isn't showing cuz it is there. I know, I do have alot more races then I need and I'll see if I can cut down on some cuz most I don't use, just random requirements for other mods.

I am thinking about changing to just Open Cities because Open Better Cities puts quite a strain on the game but I do like all the NPCs and new stores better cities adds so I'm hesitant to do so. I'm going to maybe clean so more mods when I've got time to see if they might be causing the issue. Maybe try kvatch with that other save too. Thanks for all your help so far guys, I think at least my other save files are running alot more smoothly without having to disable all mods.

Leold

If you made those races master files, the plugin that depends on them should be moved to load after them. BOSS's load order is not absolute. If you make changes that require that you alter your LO, implement them.

Yeah, I normally do, just posted the Load Order right after using BOSS just to show new order. BOSS is an amazing tool but I know it can't predict my personal plugins.

Leold

BOMM - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=bomm

Programs & Utilities - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=programs_and_utilities <-- link here


Edit: Key feature to note, it merges your overrides into updated versions of the masterlist (which it pulls from the Google source.) No more updating the BOSS masterlist or overrides (by hand.)

That's a really helpful tool! Thanks! I think one of the links on the site doesn't go to the right place though, there's a hyperlink to download BOMM but it goes to, http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20516, the BOSS download page instead. There's a different one for http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=29790

Thanks for introducing me to this, looks really nice!

Leold

So I tried again with an earlier save I had of my character in kvatch which had a few differences to the the glitchy first run.

This save hadn't gotten the Lost Paladins of the Nine reflective armor and flame sword yet which may have contributed to the CTDs, didn't bring my companion along this time, and hadn't taken the Vow of Stendarr for the Vows and Covenants mod yet, so I didn't have to attempt to request the dremoras to surrender to my paladin lol. Worked all the way through no problems.

I noticed after playing a while after I had an instance of the infinite empty containers poping up, but I just reloaded a Streamsave and it was fine. One new problem though I didn't have before was some of the NPC's faces. A few NPCs would from time to time, seem to have one face talking over another still face! kinda weird... Like the mouth wouldn't really move it was another copy of the face moving, Idk, it was strange lol.

I think it may have something to do with my bashed patch, because I followed the Bashed Patch recommendations from BOSS to the letter and it may have been one mod changing the faces and another mod changing them to another, not overwriting the other just copying over instead. Anyways, if anyone has any ideas on the infinite container glitch or how bashed patching may have caused the faces to not overwrite, feel free to reply.

Thanks for all the help

Leold

Double face bug: Install the Unofficial Oblivion Patch - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=official_and_unofficial_patches


Edit: NPCs cannot have two faces, so the last part is a bit weird, haha... (Random: Have you tried looking under the ground in the starting cell (using TCL), you might see floating body parts. Random facts for random bugs. ^___^)

Alright, thanks again Tom! I'll try that when I play a bit later

Leold

No UOP - grab the Unofficial Oblivion Patch, plus the supplemental.

7B xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.3]
Needs to be updated to 1.0.5 due to crash bugs caused by bad scripts. Usually right around the 5am hour in game.

8F xulBlackwoodForest.esp
Needs to be updated to 1.0.4 to fix Whom Gods Annoy.

A7 bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp [Version 1.5]
----> Delinquent MASTER: bgMagicEV.esp

Delinquent masters cause issues, you need to correct the positioning on the file at A7. Although someone else already pointed out you're missing this file's master. That could do it

There are also a number of unprocessed files still sitting past your bashed patch, so those need to be corrected.

K, got the new updates for unique landscapes now and got the master for LAME as well so those should be fine now. What do I do about the unprocessed files that are behind the bashed patch? Just move the patch down or is there something more to do?

Thanks for the input Arthmoor

Leold

There is more to it, but this should help: http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=load_order#LOTemplate