*Shivering Isles Spoiler Alert* In case you guys don't remember, at the end of the shivering isles jyggalag was released from transforming into Sheogorath. And although the player defeats him, I assume he is immortal and will eventually resume his status as the Prince of Order. As seeing as the other Daderic princes kicked them out of their club for being too badass and it's been 200 years since his defeat, Do you guys think Jyggalag could have caused all sorts of chaos (or rather order) in the planes of oblivion? I doubt it could have anything to do with the main story but maybe an expansion or something.

Perhaps, but only in the Shivering Isles (if our character got lazy). He couldn't do too much damage to the other Daedric realms, could he?

I guess that is a interesting concept and would make a good expansion pack. It would be some of the aftermath of all the things that you did in the Shivering Isles bliviongate:

I thought that by defeating Jyggalag, you pretty much negated his need to go and stir up trouble.

Wasn't Jygglag cursed to become Sheogorath because he was too powerful? Didn't he try to order all the Daedric Realms and nearly succeed (Or had the sufficient power to do so)? My memory is terrible, but I can remember bits and pieces almost perfectly, just not the whole picture. Not sure if this is the case, but since the events of SI, it would be nice to hear about it, similiar to NPC pvssyr in Oblivion about things going on after Morrowind.

The Grey March is far different from whatever designs Jyggalag may have in store for his fellow princes.

Wouldn't Jyggalag have learnt his lesson by now? I mean if he starts acting out on the other daedric realms they could just lock him away, unless i'm missing something or he learnt something.

I wonder how sheogorath will be handled. The loss of a deity will be troublesome to the Khajitt...

Truth be told, the ending of SI can be interpreted in a surprisingly large number of ways. For example, one theory argues that the CoC-Sheogorath will eventually fall back into the grey march cycle of occasionally turning into Jyggalag and back. ANother postulates that there is something fundamentally different about what the CoC did, and thus he won't repeat it. Of course, Jygallag's future is variable under this theory.

If you take Jyggalag at his word, he now roams the waters of oblivion. Jygallag is a predictable creature, and he will no doubt return to his old endeavors.

Yep, they cursed him to be Sheogorath because he was a bit to powerful and was trying to impose order on his fellow princes. Which is wonderfully ironic. His order was actually chaos if you think about it. The daedra are beings of change and chaos. Him trying to slam order down on everyone would have made things stagnant. Which to the other daedric princes would have been chaotic and a change from their way of being.

I'm very interested to see what is going on in the planes of Oblivion. With Sheogorath and Jyggy now separate entities, and I would assume Jyggy has some respect for the new Sheogorath since he is the one who freed him technically. I'd be watching my back if I were the other daedric princes.

He's noit lost at all, the player from Oblivion is the new sheogorath, nothing has really changed.

Thanks for elaborating on that for me.

Sheogorath still exists.
The way I see it, the mortals won't even notice it's not the same guy sitting on the throne. it's kinda like a function if you prefer. Instead of being the new president, you are the new Sheo.
The new guy IS sheogorath and will be worshiped as, without difference.

I have a question though: is it "official" that the new Sheo is the CoC? on aftermath, some kind of canon story comes out but nothing really give us hints about this. could it be a totally different person?
SI was the perfect way to make the CoC disappear though. He saved the world and chilled out a bit, one day a gate appeared, he entered it and never came back.

That is how I see it. As far as the rest of Tamriel knows he was lost to the Isles. Obviously they couldn't make you a full on daedric prince at the very end of SI because you would have became immortal and you wouldn't have been able to leave the realm of Oblivion.

As you say it's a perfect explanation to push the CoC off the stage (as they did the Nrevarine by sending him/her to Akavir) I think the CoC is Sheogorath now. Especially when you take into account what Jyggy says to you at the end if Shivering Isles:

Yeah, I think that "Perhaps you will grow to your station" quote is a pretty heavy hint on what happened to the new sheogorath. I suppose madness is contagious in the SI. :drool:

What exactly does this have to do with Skyrim?

He did cause chaos by causing order :chaos: . As a result, the other Daedric Princes are too busy fighting his chaotic order :gun: , so they spend less time with the affairs of mortals :fakenopic: . Hence I believe they will not be as readily available in Skyrim as they were in Oblivion.

Deadric shrines and Khajitt religion are affected by this change.

Well, Skyrim takes place around 2 centuries after the events of the SI. Assuming that Jyggalag has returned to his throne we could rightfully predict that he has opened up a can of whoop ass in Oblivion (since he would probably want to exact his revenge on the other princes). And assuming that Tamriel has any contact with Oblivion I'd say a major shift in power such as Jyggalag creating an imperial autocracy over the other planes could effect Skyrim in some way, however small. Of course this is assuming a lot, especially since no one knows how long it takes to escape the depths of Oblivion.

In Tamriel, we can't prove that anyone from the oblivion crisis is still alive, but who knows how time passes in the shivering isles when it is separated from Tamriel. It is possible the PC from oblivion could still be alive there, affected by time in a different way. Maybe agelessness was also a benefit of becoming the Prince of Madness? You were already inhumanly powerful, its believable you could have held your throne this long, even if you provoked hatred and uprisings in your realm (there is such a think as organized madness)