Strange invincibility effect (from falls, anyway) : IV

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:57 am

Greetings,

Sorry for the new thread, but I haven't a clue where this is coming from. I am hoping that the symptom will ring a bell with someone. Barring that, perhaps someone can tell me what to look for?

Here's the deal: I suddenly noticed (after several hours of game time, of course) that my PC was invulnerable to taking damage from falls. I did some ruling out by process of elimination, and was able to determine that it went into effect as soon as an item that fortified an attribute was equipped. The Ring of Perfection was the first culprit, but I further narrowed it down to a minimum of Strength and Endurance. I'll mess with it some more and see if I can narrow it down even more.

I do have two saves that isolate it. One save has her taking damage normally from falls, the other (and all after it) has the behavior described above. If anyone can suggest what to look for, maybe I can figure out what went wrong... ?

Anyway, I suppose the LO will be needed, so it's tagged on at the end. I appreciate any help I can get!
veg

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» Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:27 am

Well first, what mods did you install between the normal save and the save after it that you first noticed the no fall damage? You can always just check that in Wrye Bash.

And if you load the normal save and then try to take fall damage, is it still there?

Load the normal save, then save it, and try again. Still getting fall damage?

» Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:02 pm

Well first, what mods did you install between the normal save and the save after it that you first noticed the no fall damage? You can always just check that in Wrye Bash.

None. I appreciate the suggestion, but I would have mentioned that.

And if you load the normal save and then try to take fall damage, is it still there?

Load the normal save, then save it, and try again. Still getting fall damage?

I've done all of that. Whatever it is, it is something that happened between the two saves. That's why I was asking if someone could suggest what to look for in the saves.... but to be more specific, I was meaning .obse stats, or logs, or something to that effect.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:32 am

None. I appreciate the suggestion, but I would have mentioned that.

I've done all of that. Whatever it is, it is something that happened between the two saves. That's why I was asking if someone could suggest what to look for in the saves.... but to be more specific, I was meaning .obse stats, or logs, or something to that effect.

Oh, h'okay. I was suggesting the more obvious things

Did you check your list of spells affecting your character and all?

Not really sure I can help much further than that. I've never encountered this problem. Hope you figure it out, though!

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:45 am

Oh, h'okay. I was suggesting the more obvious things

Did you check your list of spells affecting your character and all?

Yes. Nothing out of the ordinary. Thanks anyway.

» Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:55 pm

Please forgive the bump, but I'm still hoping someone can shed some light here...

» Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:45 pm

Well, I gave up and just tried to continue with the last save that did not have this issue, but it has returned. Again, with something equipped that modifies attributes, my PC takes no damage from falls. This is a game-breaker, so I'm really, really hoping someone has a suggestion. I have no idea what is going on, or what to look for.

veg

» Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:40 pm

One small change... doesn't matter if anything is equipped or not now. No damage from falling at all, with no attribute-modifying items equipped. There is an ability that I can't seem to get rid of called "indigo aura"... I think it has to do with the Lost Spires, but I'm still looking in to that. Even if I find it, I have no idea whether this has anything to do with it or not.

Has anyone seen anything like this before?

» Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:53 pm

One small change... doesn't matter if anything is equipped or not now. No damage from falling at all, with no attribute-modifying items equipped. There is an ability that I can't seem to get rid of called "indigo aura"... I think it has to do with the Lost Spires, but I'm still looking in to that. Even if I find it, I have no idea whether this has anything to do with it or not.

Has anyone seen anything like this before?

I see you have Phighting Phixes installed. Its script automatically adjusts fall damage depending on the damage multiplier you've set (otherwise you might die with a high multiplier when jumping off a small ledge). To make NPCs get regular fall damage it adjusts fall damage only when the player is falling. I don't have any problem with fall damage, but it might be worth checking. What are your damage multiplier settings? If it is 0 or -1 you may want to set it to 1 instead just to be on the safe side. Tejon wrote the script so I can't say how it exactly works.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:34 am

One small change... doesn't matter if anything is equipped or not now. No damage from falling at all, with no attribute-modifying items equipped. There is an ability that I can't seem to get rid of called "indigo aura"... I think it has to do with the Lost Spires, but I'm still looking in to that. Even if I find it, I have no idea whether this has anything to do with it or not.

Has anyone seen anything like this before?

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16704, my friend.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:10 am

Do you have a different character you could check? If not, try making a new character and use some h4x0rz to give him a ring to add multiple attributes. It might give you some confirmation that this is mod related.

I once had a character who, out of nowhere, threw Oblivion XP for a loop when she leveled up. Unfortunately, the last 'real' save I had was at the same level, and the problem happened again when it was time for her to level up. I chalked it up to a corrupt save, and I had to scrap the character

. Fortunately, she was only level 7. Whatever it was, it happened some time in level 6. What you're experiencing might be something similar to this, and you may have to put your PC down

.

EDIT: I really need to stop posting while semi-afk...

» Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:51 pm

I see you have Phighting Phixes installed. Its script automatically adjusts fall damage depending on the damage multiplier you've set (otherwise you might die with a high multiplier when jumping off a small ledge). To make NPCs get regular fall damage it adjusts fall damage only when the player is falling. I don't have any problem with fall damage, but it might be worth checking. What are your damage multiplier settings? If it is 0 or -1 you may want to set it to 1 instead just to be on the safe side. Tejon wrote the script so I can't say how it exactly works.

I do indeed have it installed, and I have been really happy with it!

Thanks for the suggestion, Phitt. I must admit, damage multiplier is the one thing in PPP I have not messed with, so it has been set at 1 since installation. Nevertheless, I just disabled PPP completely in my LO to see if maybe that was it, but no. Even with PPP disabled I still see this. I really do appreciate the suggestion, though.

What you're experiencing might be something similar to this, and you may have to put your PC down

Well, that in itself is not that big of a deal. This PC has been experimental anyway. However, things like this happen for a reason. Without knowing what it is, it is impossible to avoid it occurring again. It really is important that I find the reason for this. I don't have tons of time to waste!

» Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:45 pm

OK, please forgive the multiple posts, but I think I have narrowed it down, and while the bashed patch rebuilds (about a 15 minute process [for now]) I thought I'd share what I think it is and see if anyone can confirm seeing this.

I finally resorted to the old stand-by: disabling mods. :shakehead: (I hate having to do that, but sometimes it's the only way). First the bashed patch... hoping desperately it's not in there, as that could become a real PITA. AH, it's not...OK, good. Moving right along, I tried a couple that seemed more likely to affect damage, but failing there I finally decided to try The Lost Spires and see if that pesky Indigo Aura was part of it. Bingo.

So now I'm rebuilding my patch without The Lost Spires just to confirm that it is indeed what is causing my issue. Now that I have isolated it a little better, does it ring any bells with anyone now? I've really been enjoying The Lost Spires, and would rather not have to do without it.

Thanks again,
veg

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:38 am

I think one of the magic overhauls makes you immune to fall damage if you use feather. So if you have constant effect feather jewelery or just use it a lot might be it "shrug"

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:43 am

I think one of the magic overhauls makes you immune to fall damage if you use feather. So if you have constant effect feather jewelery or just use it a lot might be it "shrug"

Just had a look and the 'Indigo Torch' ability has indeed feather with a magnitude of 30 (among other things). But it should only be on your character as long as you carry the 'Warlock Torch'. There are no scripted effects in the ability so I'd guess the real culprit is a magic overhaul. A feather spell of any magnitude negates fall damage completely? Doesn't sound very balanced to me.

EDIT: Oh and good to know that it was not my mod causing the problem...

» Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:26 pm

Yeah i am pretty sure it makes you immune, as long as you are not carrying beyond a certain %. Haven't tried the mods itself but i am pretty sure i read it. Could be wrong....

From supreme magicka description.

All feather spells now prevent those affected from taking fall damage if their encumbrance is at least 100 points below the limit. Burden spells can be used to nullify that effect.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:18 am

Yeah i am pretty sure it makes you immune, as long as you are not carrying beyond a certain %. Haven't tried the mods itself but i am pretty sure i read it. Could be wrong....

From supreme magicka description.

All feather spells now prevent those affected from taking fall damage if their encumbrance is at least 100 points below the limit. Burden spells can be used to nullify that effect.

Nice detective work, ChillWill! :foodndrink: I'll look at the INI and see if that's configurable or not, but it's good to know at least half of the solution.

Just had a look and the 'Indigo Torch' ability has indeed feather with a magnitude of 30 (among other things). But it should only be on your character as long as you carry the 'Warlock Torch'. There are no scripted effects in the ability so I'd guess the real culprit is a magic overhaul.

Thanks for digging into this further, Phitt. And yeah, the other half of the puzzle is, why did the Indigo Aura effect remain even when the Warlock Torch was not in her inventory? player.dispelallspells had no effect either. The only way I was able to get rid of it was to disable the mod. Something is not right there, to be sure...

Thanks again for the help. I have some more research to do, apparently, but I know where to look... at least, I have a better idea!

» Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:27 pm

Nice detective work, ChillWill! :foodndrink: I'll look at the INI and see if that's configurable or not, but it's good to know at least half of the solution.

Thanks for digging into this further, Phitt. And yeah, the other half of the puzzle is, why did the Indigo Aura effect remain even when the Warlock Torch was not in her inventory? player.dispelallspells had no effect either. The only way I was able to get rid of it was to disable the mod. Something is not right there, to be sure...

Thanks again for the help. I have some more research to do, apparently, but I know where to look... at least, I have a better idea!

The ability is added/removed by an OnEquip/OnUnequip block. Probably the OnUnequip block didn't fire for some reason when the torch was unequipped. If you still have the torch you could equip and unequip it again the regular way to get rid of the ability.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:02 am

The ability is added/removed by an OnEquip/OnUnequip block. Probably the OnUnequip block didn't fire for some reason when the torch was unequipped. If you still have the torch you could equip and unequip it again the regular way to get rid of the ability.

Thanks again Phitt... I did try that a few times before resorting to deactivating The Lost Spires, but I could not lose the effect that way. Even equipping, un-equipping, and then dropping it altogether made no difference. Strange. I'll give it a shot again at some point, but for now I'm going to move forward without it. I have a few more large quests to do... The Lost Spires can be re-introduced later.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:31 am

Thanks again Phitt... I did try that a few times before resorting to deactivating The Lost Spires, but I could not lose the effect that way. Even equipping, un-equipping, and then dropping it altogether made no difference. Strange. I'll give it a shot again at some point, but for now I'm going to move forward without it. I have a few more large quests to do... The Lost Spires can be re-introduced later.

Well you can always load up The Lost Spires in the CS and check the script on the torch. Just make sure that it removes the effect when the torch is unequipped.

» Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:05 pm

Well you can always load up The Lost Spires in the CS and check the script on the torch. Just make sure that it removes the effect when the torch is unequipped.

Quite a few steps ahead of you there, but thanks anyway.

» Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:29 am

Quite a few steps ahead of you there, but thanks anyway.

Again, me suggesting things you've already tried

Figures.