[RELz/WIPz] Reneer's Rain Mod : IV - Oblivion

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:10 pm

Hi Reneer

I downloaded 0.96 and installed it and I'm using All Natural.

First I put the esp at the end of my load order and when I loaded the game it kept switching from a sunny weather to a rainy one constantly (about every second or two). I fast traveled to Bruma and when I stood next to the chapel the weather stopped constantly changing and stayed raining. As soon as I moved away from the chapel it went back to switching between sunny and raining again. Soon after that I CTD.

Then I moved the esp above All Natural's, loaded the game, the weather switched a few times (every second or so again), then I CTD.

Hmmm. That's odd. I'll look into it - the mod should only be switching the weather back once and then not doing it again.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:03 pm

I'm getting the same bug as Furyfish, though it's not consistent. I find that if I switch repeatedly back between cover and open sky the bug shows up, but otherwise it doesn't. I'm also occasionally getting rain still showing up under cover, however with the new 'rain' mode the mod creates. Also, unlike Furyfish, I never CTD.

Here's my rather extensive load order. With one this large I'm guessing it's a conflict.

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Windfall.esm02  ScreenEffects.esm03  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]08  Armamentarium.esm09  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0A  Better Cities Resources.esm0B  bookplacing.esm  [Version 1]0C  DA Run Fatigue.esm0D  Oblivifall Master File.esm  [Version 1.0]0E  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp0F  TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp10  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.6]11  DLCShiveringIsles.esp12  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]13  Better Cities .esp14  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9]15  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp  [Version Final]++  300_Combat Sounds.esp16  AmbientTownSounds.esp17  MIS.esp18  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp19  Diverse Voices.esp1A  Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp1B  Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp1C  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp1D  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp1E  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.2]++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]1F  personality_idles2.esp20  Redecoration.esp21  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.1]22  StandingJOJO.esp23  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.1]24  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.4]25  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]++  MaleBodyReplacerV5Beta.esp++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp26  Armor of the Dark Lord.esp27  ArmamentariumVendors.esp28  Lich King's Helm v1_0.esp29  Morrigan Armor Set v1_0.esp2A  New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp2B  NexonsArmoryENG.esp2C  Nicoroshi Creations DW heavy.esp2D  Noble Plate Armory.esp2E  pale_rider's Armor of Dragon's Nightmare.esp2F  pale_rider's Armory of The Divine Guardian.esp30  pale_rider's Armory of the Berserker.esp31  pale_rider's DragonhunterReloaded.esp32  pale_rider's Nordic Warrior Armor.esp33  pale_rider's Paladin Equipment_enchanted_eng.esp34  PTArtifacts.esp35  Sauron_Armor_Chest.esp36  Slof's Boners! v5.esp37  tda_Armoury.esp38  Town_Ceremonial_Armor.esp39  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]3A  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp3B  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-DLT_Remover.esp  [Version 1.33]3C  Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp  [Version 2.0]3D  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]40  300_Caldera Update.esp41  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]42  Hammerfell.esp43  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp44  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp45  LordKain_Adash_World.esp46  Side's Sailing Ships.esp++  Side's Sailing Ships (COBL).esp47  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.3.2]48  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp49  Windfall.esp4A  za_bankmod.esp4B  Knights.esp4C  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]4D  MTCExpandedVillages.esp4E  The Lost Spires.esp4F  LanternMonastery.esp50  Blackmarsh.esp51  Valenwood.esp52  Summerset.esp53  SummersetLandscapes.esp54  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.3]55  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.4]56  Faregyl.esp  [Version 1.0.10]57  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp  [Version 1.3]58  Castle_Wolfspike.esp59  bartholm.esp5A  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]++  Book Placement v2.esp  [Version 2.0]5B  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.11_Unofficial.esp5C  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]5D  ReneersTrainingMod.esp5E  Respawning Varla & Welkynd Stones.esp5F  Eroblivion.esp60  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]61  DA Sprint.esp62  BasicInstinct.esp63  ClaimThatInterior.esp64  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.0.2]65  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]++  bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp  [Version 1.5]66  MidasSpells.esp67  Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.esp68  PTActorsCare.esp69  PTDamageFinal.esp6A  PTDoorExploitBegone.esp6B  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]6C  CTAddPose_v_1.esp6D  actors_in_charge.esp6E  ActorsInEmotions.esp6F  77_Umpa_Animation.esp70  EFGAddPose.esp71  shinyEmotions.esp72  Slof's sixy Anims.esp++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.76]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]73  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]74  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]75  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]76  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]77  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]78  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]79  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]7A  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]7B  AlternativeOblivionMagicSystem.esp++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]7C  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]7D  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp7E  Better Cities Full.esp7F  Better Imperial City.esp80  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]81  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp++  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp82  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]83  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9]84  Bashed Patch, 0.esp85  ToutiussixtiusHouseReplacer.esp

» Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:03 am

Well, I think I have figured out the reason behind the constant "weather switching" and I've fixed it for 0.97. That should be released pretty soon.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:18 pm

Awesome Reneer.

EDIT: Well, I just tested out .96 and the game crashes shortly after I load a save game. Half a second before the game crashes, the weather turns immediately stormy/rainy. I dunno if load order has anything to do with it, or... I dunno. I have OBSE 18. Anyone else have this problem?

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:17 pm

Awesome Reneer.

EDIT: Well, I just tested out .96 and the game crashes shortly after I load a save game. Half a second before the game crashes, the weather turns immediately stormy/rainy. I dunno if load order has anything to do with it, or... I dunno. I have OBSE 18. Anyone else have this problem?

I have exactly the same problem.

@Reneer -- BTW I use (or have used) most of your mods, Reneer. Thanks for all the hard work and for these contributions that have made my gaming experience all the better over the years!

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:50 am

OK, so the mop up got rid of my post, but here's the important(ish) bit again:

If anyone's having trouble (ie. crashing, freaky weather changes) when using both this mod and All Natural, could you please also post a note saying so in the All Natural thread? It's just mainly to get some statistics on these problems, and to help me find out if there's anything that I can do in All Natural to help prevent these issues, once I get around to taking a look at this mod.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:24 pm

OK, so the mop up got rid of my post, but here's the important(ish) bit again:

If anyone's having trouble (ie. crashing, freaky weather changes) when using both this mod and All Natural, could you please also post a note saying so in the All Natural thread? It's just mainly to get some statistics on these problems, and to help me find out if there's anything that I can do in All Natural to help prevent these issues, once I get around to taking a look at this mod.

wrinklyninja, the problems were (at least, in my testing, but I haven't tested it with All Natural yet) related to how I figure out if the player is underneath a covering or not. One problem was that a NPC, always placed "behind" the player, would lose sight of another actor (who was up in the air) in circumstances where he really shouldn't (being placed behind walls / boxes, etc). This would cause the mod to switch to its "covered / raining" mode but as soon as the player turned / move a little it would switch back. While this mod and All Natural might still be conflicting (depending on if All Natural continuously forces its weather changes if they are not met, for example) I think 0.97 might, hopefully, fix the major issues that people are experiencing.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:48 pm

wrinklyninja, the problems were (at least, in my testing, but I haven't tested it with All Natural yet) related to how I figure out if the player is underneath a covering or not. One problem was that a NPC, always placed "behind" the player, would lose sight of another actor (who was up in the air) in circumstances where he really shouldn't (being placed behind walls / boxes, etc). This would cause the mod to switch to its "covered / raining" mode but as soon as the player turned / move a little it would switch back. While this mod and All Natural might still be conflicting (depending on if All Natural continuously forces its weather changes if they are not met, for example) I think 0.97 might, hopefully, fix the major issues that people are experiencing.

Right. Well, in that case AN shouldn't really conflict, but I'll still take a look just in case - if there's anything I've learnt, it's that exceptions are the rule in Oblivion, so it's quite possible that there may be special circumstances in which AN does conflict. That, and it does give me a legitimate excuse to actually try playing the game for a bit.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:52 pm

So, has this mod been fixed for use with OBSE 18 yet?

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:24 pm

So, has this mod been fixed for use with OBSE 18 yet?

Not yet. There are some remaining bugs that I'm trying to fix, but I just have so little time to do modding anymore plus the fact that, in my mind, RGO takes preference overall. Plus RGO's 4th birthday is coming up soon (!) and I want to do something extra-special for that.

» Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:53 pm

Not yet. There are some remaining bugs that I'm trying to fix, but I just have so little time to do modding anymore plus the fact that, in my mind, RGO takes preference overall. Plus RGO's 4th birthday is coming up soon (!) and I want to do something extra-special for that.

Heh, that's fine. Thank you Reneer.