I've started to have some strange landscape glitches that I really hadn't noticed before. They mostly occur in two places, the city isle around the outside of the imperial city and also in the nibenay valley.

When I leave try to leave the imperial city, sometimes after loading my character will ed up in water?! After exiting a few more times I found that though I leave through the gates out of the imperial market, everything, including me and NPCs or objects, fall right through the earth as if it wasn't there! I fall so far that I hit water underneath the landscape and can swim up to see the bottom of the imperial city. I was having this same problem when fast traveling to nibenay locations so I went to cheydinhal instead. when leaving cheydinhal, I found a huge gap in the landscape near harlun's watch where there is no land at all.

I fast travel to the cities themselves, they're not showing any of these behaviors, and I can walk outside anvil without problems.

I'm, guessing that it must be some sort of conflict for Unique Landscapes, maybe its too far up in my load order. I was thinking this wouldn't be an issue though because I'm using BOSS Masterlist Manager for sorting. I also use Better Open Cities so that may be another issue between those and Unique Landscapes.

If anyone has any ideas or has experienced this problem before, please help me solve this! Really making my game pretty annoying now.

Thanks all

Leold

P.S. I'll post my load order as well for reference:

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  underdark.esm02  MathFunctions.esm03  ScreenEffects.esm04  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm05  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm06  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.71]07  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]08  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]09  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0A  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0B  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]0C  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0D  Better Cities Resources.esm0E  BetterMusicSystem.esm0F  cssBase.esm10  CM Partners.esm11  Toaster Says Share v3.esm12  DrowRacesofFaerun.esm13  CustomSpellIcons.esm14  HorseCombatMaster.esm15  UnnecessaryViolence.esm16  Oblivifall Master File.esm  [Version 1.0]17  DrowFortressDark.esm18  X.Races.Comp.esm19  Halfling.esm1A  Tiefling race.esm1B  Energy - Beautiful Elves.esm1C  Mulan.esm1D  MidasSpells.esm1E  TRoN.esp1F  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]20  DLCShiveringIsles.esp21  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]22  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp23  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp24  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp25  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp26  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]27  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]28  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]29  LoadingScreens.esp2A  Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp2B  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp2C  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp2D  Symphony of Violence.esp2E  PCSoundEdwin.esp  [Version 2.6]2F  WindowLightingSystem.esp30  Bedrollsanyone.esp31  CNRP Bruma4OOO.esp  [Version 0.2]32  CNRP Chorrol4OOO.esp  [Version 1.1]33  CNRP FightersGuild4OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]34  CNRP DB for OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]35  CNRP Cheydinhal4OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]36  DID3_DoubleTrouble.esp37  LostTelvanniCodex.esp38  Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp39  Vows and Covenants.esp3A  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp3B  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp3C  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp3D  CapesandCloaks.esp3E  DMRangerArmor.esp3F  Extra Robe Pack.esp40  Galadhrim_EV.esp41  JG Elven.esp42  MC_Staff_Pack.esp43  Vvardenfell_Imports.esp44  OC+Imports Patch.esp45  Francesco's Mage Equipment.esp46  300_Classes.esp47  ishmaelselvishmithril.esp48  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]49  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp4A  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.69]4B  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]4C  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp4D  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4E  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp4F  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]50  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]51  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]52  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]53  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]54  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]55  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp  [Version 1.39c]56  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]57  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]58  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]59  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5A  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5B  Fransfemale.esp5C  LoadingScreens-OOO.esp5D  NWJtamriel4MMM.esp5E  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]5F  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp60  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp61  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp62  Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp63  Guards.esp64  300 White Stallion 4 - OOO.esp65  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp66  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp67  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp68  GlenvarCastle.esp69  Raiders of Cyrodil.esp6A  Side's Sailing Ships.esp6B  Side's Sailing Ships (COBL).esp6C  Tchos Alchemy Tower.esp6D  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp6E  Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp6F  Knights.esp70  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp71  KotN Wayshrine Fix.esp72  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp73  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]74  FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp  [Version 0.9.9]75  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp76  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]77  Blackmarsh.esp78  Valenwood.esp79  ElsweyrAnequina.esp7A  BetterMusicSystem(Elsweyr).esp7B  Valenwood_Anequina_Patch.esp7C  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp  [Version 1.3]7D  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]7E  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.1]7F  xulTheHeath.esp80  XulEntiusGorge.esp81  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]82  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]83  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]84  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.3]85  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]86  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]87  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.2]88  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]89  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]8A  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]8B  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]8C  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.2]8D  xulPantherRiver.esp8E  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]8F  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]90  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.3]91  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]92  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]93  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]94  bartholm.esp95  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp96  Bullettimemodsetkey.esp97  Cliff_BetterLetters.esp  [Version 1.1]98  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp99  ATakesAll.esp9A  The Complete Ranger.esp9B  Quest Award Leveling.esp9C  Cliff_Roleplayingcharacter.esp  [Version 2.1]9D  ConduitMagic.esp9E  TeachSpell.esp9F  Telekinetic Mastery.esp  [Version 2]A0  Judgement of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.2]A1  MofMagecraft1.7.espA2  Mighty Magick - Settings.espA3  Mighty Magick - Spells and Creatures.espA4  Mighty Magick - Skills.espA5  SupremeMagicka.espA6  bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp  [Version 1.5]----> Delinquent MASTER: bgMagicEV.espA7  MidasSpells.espA8  FearsomeMagicka.espA9  Weapon Magic.espAA  RenGuardOverhaul.espAB  RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.espAC  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.espAD  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.86]AE  Druid.espAF  actors_in_charge.espB0  ActorsInMadness.espB1  ScriptEffectIconReplace.espB2  JOTN script effect replacer.espB3  EVE_KhajiitFix.espB4  Better Redguard v2.espB5  Nords With Beards.espB6  Nec Mystic High Elf-Remake.esp  [Version 1.0]B7  Capucines Character Expansion - No NPC Change.espB8  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.espB9  Ice Elves and Wolf Elves.esp**  IDKRRR_C_race.espBA  Energy - Beautiful Elves.espBB  X.Races.Comp.esp**  Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.espBC  TSS Custom Companion  Template.espBD  Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.espBE  CM Partners.esp**  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp**  CM Partners NPC.esp**  CM Partners More NPCs.esp**  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp**  AsharasCMPartners.espBF  Companion Postal Service.espC0  cssRhett.esp  [Version 1.0]C1  cssCalisto.esp  [Version 1.1]C2  cssCernd.esp  [Version 1.1]C3  cssEdwin.esp  [Version 1.0]C4  cssImoen.esp  [Version 1.1]C5  cssIrenicus.esp  [Version 1.1]C6  cssJaheira.esp  [Version 1.1]C7  cssKeldorn.esp  [Version 1.1]C8  cssMazzy.esp  [Version 1.1]C9  cssNalia.esp  [Version 1.1]CA  cssSafana.esp  [Version 1.1]CB  cssSarevok.esp  [Version 1.1]CC  SnowAndHarukoCMPartners.espCD  DAFeria.espCE  DATiamsGirls.espCF  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]D0  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]D1  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]D2  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]D3  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]D4  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]D5  KT_CustomRaceFix.espD6  ScreenControls.espD7  Visual Enchantments v1.0.espD8  LightSpellWhite.espD9  UnnecessaryViolence.espDA  ViconiaChapterTwo.espDB  Bashed Patch, 0.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: Dwarfs.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: Halfling.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: Tiefling race.espDC  Streamline 3.1.espDD  Dwarfs.espDE  Halfling.espDF  Tiefling race.esp++  MyTweaks.espE0  Elvenguard.esp  [Version 2.1]E1  DnD_Classes.espE2  spellshield2.espE3  MOM-OpenCities.espE4  nt_CompanionForceEquip.espE5  Caster Buffs_01.espE6  Mulan.espE7  DrowFortressDarkDoors.espE8  GGIlli.esp  [Version 1.05a]E9  Better Cities .espEA  Open Better Cities FULL.espEB  Open Better Cities - Full City Defences.espEC  Better Imperial City.espED  ShippingInCyrodiil_BC_comp_V1-1.espEE  Forgotten Realms.espEF  turnundeadrestoration.espF0  Status Bars.esp  [Version 1.1]F1  NoThump.espF2  Daried.espF3  Diverse Dungeons - Subtle Color v.1.05.espF4  Crossbows of Cyrodiil.espF5  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]F6  DrowRacesofFaerunEyeFix.espF7  Magic of the Mind.esp

Nothing to do with any of the Unique Landscapes. Just because someone has landscape glitches, they always point the finger at the UL mods. Most depressing.

Anyway, what you describe sounds like the result of an ESMified ESP being used in-game. Use Wrye Bash to look for an ESP whose filename is blue rather than black. That's the cause of the problem. Right-click it in Wrye Bash and select "ESPify Self" to resolve. If none of the ESPs are blue, then there's some other problem.

Use BOSS to sort out the delinquent masters issue. I do not see one mod loading after Streamline that looks like it should be loading after the Bashed Patch.

That and this:


You've got some serious LO issues, dude.

display name is already in use: My apologies for somewhat accusing Unique Landscapes of this problem. It was not fair of me to immediately accuse those plugins just because they enhance lsndscapes. Simply wasn't sure if it could have caused an issue or not, but the load order is probably it. I don't really see any ESPs with filenames that are blue instead of black though. I do have copies of some of my ESPs that I made ESMs for as well so that they could be made masters when I made my own plugins and I could use their data, perhaps that may cause this issue? Don't really know any other ways of using an esp as a master though. Maybe I should disable their esps? I think that may impact savegames though.

Tomlong: I have been putting off sorting those for a while, but I'll try now and see if that helps it.

Walker in Shadows: Yeah, I've had that issue with the bgMagicEV.esp before! Redownloaded LAME and everything and I'm not what it did with that particular plugin before. Redid it again though, this time it doesn't show that Delinquent Master thing.

Thanks all

Leold

That is not a problem with LAME. Read the plugin's name. It is an override intended for users that give SM priority in their load orders (which means loading SM after LAME) and want the LAME conjurations. You do not need that because LAME is overriding SM. That plugin should not be installed. Please, read the mods' ReadMe files.

BOSS - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=boss

Load Ordering - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=load_order <-- There is an LO Template at the bottom you can use to help place plugins that BOSS does not recognize, but I think it would be worth it for you to read the whole page.

Okay, that's the problem You've not just ESMified an ESP (something you'd do temporarily to use the CS, then undo later) you've gone one step further and actually renamed the files to ESM. And at least one of these ESMs which used to be an ESP edits the Tamriel worldspace. Any ESM (or ESMified ESP) which edits the Tamriel worldspace will produce what you're seeing in-game. If you want an ESP to be a master to another ESP, ESMify it, make your edits in the CS, then ESPify it again. The new ESP will still have that ESP as a master even though it isn't named *.esm

So you need to rename those files and ESPify them again, then use Wrye Bash's Change Master utility to redirect the dependant ESP to the renamed file once more.

TomLong: Ah, so I don't really even need the plugin now. I must have installed that one a while ago before using BOSS. I actually had forgotten what it did so I'd left it alone. Weird thing is in the list you provided Better Cities and the other various Open Better Cities components are supposed to load before the Bashed Patch but when I try to move them in OBMM a message tells me that Better Cities.esp must load after Bashed Patch.

display name is already in use: I think I know which ESMified ESP it is as well. I was messing around with spell effects recently and wanted to see how Midas some of the script effects would run in a personal spell mod of mine. I believe the problems started around that time. If I use Wyre Bash and select the MidasSpells.esm and right click, use copy to Esp, and overwrite, will the spells I used with Midas scripts stop working? Is that what you mean by rename?

Thanks

Leold

You need to Copy to ESP, then select the ESP you've created which is dependant on MidasSpells.esm
On the right side of the Wrye Bash window is a box titled Masters. Within this will be a list of every ESM and ESP the selected file is dependant on.
Click in this box to activate it, then right-click on MidasSpells.esm within the list and choose "Change to..."
Now select MidasSpells.esp and click OK.
In-game, nothing should change other than the ground being restored to the way it's meant to be. Whatever your new ESP used from MidasSpells.esm it now uses from MidasSpells.esp

I followed your steps display name, and now its finally fixed. Now I won't fall out into some extra-dimensional ocean when leaving the imperial city! lol

On an unrelated note, has anyone ever seen a bug where by pressing the key for activate, it causes you to activate twice? I find that whenever I talk to anyone, after the conversation is over my character begins to talk to them again immediately after without me pressing the key. The same happens with books I read after I close them.

Thanks

Leold

I have the "double activation" problem, too exactly as you described it... don't have idea why (as you, I suppose) is a bit depressing with companions,the second activation cancel the order you give before (and Vilja never sleep anymore )

Hadn't thought of the problems with companions yet, that's not cool... Man, one problem gets fixed and another
just springs right up. Ah the joys of a heavily modded oblivion.

Leold