Temple View on Slavery

Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:00 am

So I recently made a new character who is a healer and has just joined the Tribunal Temple. Once I joined I got to thinking that a healer should probably be against slavery but I did not know what the Temple's stance was on that issue. Can anybody clarify if they are or not? Thanks.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:44 pm

slavery is now illegal throughout the Empire, but protected by law in Morrowind.


Taken from the UESP wiki. Slavery is legal in Morrowind, so the majority couldn't be against it. If you want more specific details, go to the wiki and search "slavery." That may be able to tell you what you need.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:38 pm

Just because you are dedicated to healing and ameliorating physical wounds, doesn't mean you would be for or against bondage. Take the depiction of doctors in Science Fiction. They constantly have to deal with patching up an enemy just so that their body can withstand an interrogation.

And if it makes you feel any better, the Temple in Vvardenfell hardly uses slaves.

As for actually answering your question, I think they more strictly follow the Empire's ban on slave trading than the Houses.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:01 pm

Hardline dunmer consider all non-mer races to be beasts, so its more a question of animal husbandry than slavery.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:12 pm

the temple doesn't oppose slavery, but it does frown upon it if it's taking jobs away from the dunmer. that's why the temple looks down on house hlaalu, who uses slaves for profit.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:08 am

Slavery has been abolished by Helseth, though I don't know if there are holdouts among the remnants of Houses Redoran and Indoril. I'm also not sure if the Telvanni still have slavery, though they probably try to get away with as much as they can.

One of Helseth's first edicts as King seemed particularly designed to dismantle the traditional power structures of the Dunmer. In accordance with the longstanding wishes of the Empire, he outlawed slavery throughout Morrowind. The reaction to this was bloody, as could be predicted, though the alliances formed were far from expected. As Helseth himself put it in a speech to his people, "If there is to be a revolution, it is best done by a King."

Actions such as this have led many to label King Helseth as the latest in the lineage of Imperial figureheads, though some of his other actions would cast doubt on this pronouncement. Helseth's reformation of the Grand Council, which includes the heads of all the Great Houses, was seen by some as a return to more traditional Dunmer ways.

The Great Houses themselves, long stagnant, are adjusting to the new powers in the land. Some, like Dres and Hlaalu, appear to be on the rise, embracing the new traditions while welcoming the return of the old. Others, like Indoril and Redoran, seem to be waning, unable to change with the times.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:29 pm

No one disturbs the Telvanni. The Mage Lords are as powerful as they are old and crazy, which they pretty much are.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:35 pm

As explained Helseth have abolished (can I use that word?) slavery but it's still very much alive within Dunmer culture probably for different reasons.

Like the Telvanni, would you fight a schizophrenic mage with ancient knowledge and mass guards and creatures? I hope not.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:22 pm

As explained Helseth have abolished (can I use that word?) slavery but it's still very much alive within Dunmer culture probably for different reasons.

Like the Telvanni, would you fight a schizophrenic mage with ancient knowledge and mass guards and creatures? I hope not.

Also, Dres may not have "slaves" but they may sure as hell have indentured servants. So, the situation with slavery is practically the same, except Dres is probably going to hold out on the slaving raids into Black Marsh.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:31 pm

Indeed, much haven't been changed in Morrowind even thou the rather new laws from Helseth.

And after the Oblivion crisis who know what will happen?
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:19 pm

And after the Oblivion crisis who know what will happen?

Well, there was that one ex-temple dunmer priest serving in a chapel in OB. Pretty much told us that the Temple has pretty much collapsed. After Oblivion, can see the Temple even further weakening, now that the dunmer people are probably not even going to worship the 3 "good" daedra. Think about it, it was an aedra that saved everyone's butts, not the "good" daedra. Plus, the Tribunal is gone, and to those who may not have known about their deaths and disappearance, the faith in the Tribunal would be low.

Indeed, many interesting things may happen after the events of OB.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:27 pm

For the OP's question about how to play his Morrowind character, Helseth's decree doesn't apply yet.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:11 pm

For the OP's question about how to play his Morrowind character, Helseth's decree doesn't apply yet.

Then I'd say more likely than not, you'll be for slavery, since the Temple is pretty hardline dunmer rules. They may not own slaves personally, but damn it! it is your right to own slaves!
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:12 pm

Perhaps they just stay out of it, since the great houses decide for themselves whether or not to keep slavery.
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Post » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:28 am

In a short life of Uriel Septim VII, the author makes mention that the Nine Divines are rapidly becoming if not already are the dominant religion in Morrowind. He even cites a four volume work by our own Hasphat Antabolis. So who knows?
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:17 pm

Yeah, as for RP purposes, you'll be for it due to tradition but unlikely to have any of your own or to really have many interests in common with those who do own a lot of slaves. If you're really super Temple faithful, I could see you having a lots of lingering animosity towards Argonians. (Remember St. Roris the Martyr!) But by decree of the Tribunal and by laws more ancient than the Empire, it's your right! Besides, it's not like the beast races even have souls.

Though if you're an outlander who's gotten into the Tribunal Temple for whatever reason, then you could still be against slavery personally, due to the fact that "ancient law" has a bit less meaning for you than you'd like to admit. You could even say that it's a bit of a regret that such a fine institution supports such an evil one. It just wouldn't be totally orthodox.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:39 pm

Slavery has been abolished by Helseth, though I don't know if there are holdouts among the remnants of Houses Redoran and Indoril. I'm also not sure if the Telvanni still have slavery, though they probably try to get away with as much as they can.

One of Helseth's first edicts as King seemed particularly designed to dismantle the traditional power structures of the Dunmer. In accordance with the longstanding wishes of the Empire, he outlawed slavery throughout Morrowind. The reaction to this was bloody, as could be predicted, though the alliances formed were far from expected. As Helseth himself put it in a speech to his people, "If there is to be a revolution, it is best done by a King."

Actions such as this have led many to label King Helseth as the latest in the lineage of Imperial figureheads, though some of his other actions would cast doubt on this pronouncement. Helseth's reformation of the Grand Council, which includes the heads of all the Great Houses, was seen by some as a return to more traditional Dunmer ways.

The Great Houses themselves, long stagnant, are adjusting to the new powers in the land. Some, like Dres and Hlaalu, appear to be on the rise, embracing the new traditions while welcoming the return of the old. Others, like Indoril and Redoran, seem to be waning, unable to change with the times.
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By the Nine I hate Helseth... but back on topic the temple does follow dunmer traditions and they are effectively neutral in this matter.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:52 pm

By the Nine I hate Helseth... but back on topic the temple does follow dunmer traditions and they are effectively neutral in this matter.


I don't hate him, after reading the dev Ted Peterson's take on Helseth, who was pretty much always Ted's character as far as I know (he also wrote the Pocket Guides to Empire and many of TES' books, in addition to being one of the founders of TES). In the Lore RP, Ted wrote that Helseth is no puppet of the Empire. He was written as having a murderous temper but also being intelligent and a capable leader, whether in battle against rebelling Houses or in his court.

He reminds me of the czar Peter the Great, who similarly tried to modernize his nation by force and had a murderous temper. Like Helseth and Barenziah, Peter the Great and his mother were on thin ice with the nobility until achieving power; Helseth probably never forgot the feeling of being at the mercy of others.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:55 am

In a short life of Uriel Septim VII, the author makes mention that the Nine Divines are rapidly becoming if not already are the dominant religion in Morrowind


We've played Morrowind. Do you think that's true, when people on the street would randomly tell you about the 'strong gods' of the Imperials? They were sceptical then, and they knew how strong they were. A few years won't change the attitudes of the most traditional race in Nirn. Whether it was or wasn't an Aedra that stopped Dagon, it was the blessing of Azura that stopped Dagoth Ur.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:47 am

I'm only pointing out what others have said.

Personally, I am in favor of a synthesis of Ashlander Nerevarine cult beliefs and traditional Temple doctrine. Sorta like what the Dissidents were professing. But maybe now that the Temple doesn't have any living gods anymore, some people have turned to the Nine? As the Tribunal waned, alternatives did seem to gain in popularity, from Daedra worship to the End of Times cult. It might stand to reason that the Imperial cult would've also gained a few Dunmer converts. Probably more since the Temple technically couldn't outlaw it like they could with Daedra worship.
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