After you complete the Shivering Isles main quest you become, well, what exactly? Also, if Sheogorath was one daedric lord with two personas and one realm that continually gets wrecked, then what happens after the story ends? Does Jyggalag create a new daedric realm for himself? Dyus says Sheogorath burned Jyg's library, so I assume his realm became Sheogorath's and so there was only one realm to begin. Then what happens to the Shivering Islse? Without a daedric lord what happens to the realm? Are you some sort of placeholder holding Sheogorath's staff and raiment in order to keep the Isles from falling apart? Will the Isles fall apart when you die? Will you die? Can a mortal become daedric at the behest of a daedric lord for a certain purpose? In this case Sheogorath wanting you to take over his realm for him.

The PC for Shivering Isles becomes the mantle of Sheogorath and to put it in His words, "...essentially you'll be me. Well, not really me, but you'll have my powers. Try not to lose them. They're very hard to replace." I think of Jyggylag's stay in the "Shimmering Isles" as a once a week visit from a parent that had a divorce with the other. He'll stay for a while, but can't really make plans for an elongated sojourn. Soon, he will turn back into Sheogorath, and He will reclaim his powers (and snappy regalia) from the PC, and he/she will be the new Duke/ Duchess of Mania/Dementia. Essentially, the Arden-Sul of the fourth era.

Ah! That makes some sense I guess. I was under the impression that Jyggy was free of the Sheogorath persona and was going to remain is ol orderly self, because I thought you broke the curse on him?

That's actually what I thought as well.

That once you have finished the MQ there you break the Sheo curse and set him free to do as he pleases.

It's still unknown what exactly happened..

Mayby you really became a god.... or just a lord ruling the Isles.. or a insane person tricked by Sheogorath...

You'll probably have to wait for TES V....

Jyggalag is indeed free since you stopped the cycle from continuing due to your presence there in Sheogorath's stead. It's doubtful that he will get his own plane out of nothing, otherwise he would not continually follow the compulsion to retake his own plane. He's probably just floating in Oblivion now, seeking to steal what bits of other Princes' planes that he can. Something to that effect. As for the player...

The most likely scenario is that the status quo will remain: the Champion of Cyrodiil will actually turn into Sheogorath. It would certainly not be the first instance of a non-Daedric entity becoming a Daedric prince. You have to remember that Daedric princes don't merely rule over or represent their spheres; they are their spheres. There might not be more than a passing mention of the events in the Shivering Isles once we see TES 5, as I doubt the worshippers of the Lord of Madness will notice a change.

I didnt know this had happend before, can anyone give an example where a mortal has become a daedric prince?

Not a mortal, no, but there are a few examples. The most obvious one is Malacath. He used to be the Aedroth Trinimac, but then he was devoured by Boethiah and when he emerged he was changed and became a Daedroth. The Orsimer were the result of that. There was some other Daedric prince that was supposed to be a "fallen" Aedroth, but I can't remember who.

Talos became divine, but he became aedra, not daedra. Is it such a stretch to think the two could be different?

If the champion takes over Sheogorath's realm wouldn't he have to fight with Jyggy again? If he can't form a new realm he'll want to take back his old one.

Talos I'd say is technically NOT an aedra, since he didn't give up a piece of himself to create mundus, but he's not daedric at all. Instead, he mantled the missing god, Shor/Shezzar/Lorkhan and become the "ninth divine," Talos. If there's one thing you should know about the 9 divines, is that it was just a compromise of the elvish pantheon and nordish pantheon after the Alessian Slave Revolt. She wanted to keep the elvish pantheon, but didn't want her Nord allies to turn on them. The 9 turned into the 8 as Shezzar become increasingly unpopular, due to Shor's understandable hatred towards elves. It become 9 once Tiber Septim become Talos

So, in essence, he's kind of like Shor

Meridia, Wayward Solar daughter, exiled for consorting with Illicit Spectra. Whatever that means.
But, here is where it gets interesting. Aedra can die, Daedra cannot. Sayeth the lore. Meridia even grants to Umaril a form of deathlessness. So why don't the greater Aedra become Daedra and protect themselves? (Well, possibly this is exactly what Meridia was exiled for.) But Lorkhan/Shor is not totally dead. Maybe Aedra can only be sort-of killed?

Hellmouth: I'd never heard that Talos became Shor, got a reference for that, or is that just a guess?

Right. Well what I understand is that when Lorkhan created the mortal plane he made it so that everything associated within it was subject to the rules that the mortal plane was going to have. The aedra are subject to death in that regard, although Lorkhan sort of isn't, and maybe the aedra aren't totally either, since pieces of themselves were spent to create Mundus then maybe some essence of themselves survives anyway.

Conjecture.

Um, but Yeffre was a god revered by the Bosmer for sacrificing himself to create the first earth bones (Laws of Nature), so that doesn't sound like the rules were built in.

Adding on:
You got the earth bones, which are pretty much aedra that pretty much killed themselves (as opposed to cutting off parts) to be the laws of nature. The aedra that we typically know aren't dead, just terribly weakened. What they did was give a part of themselves instead of all of themselves, like the Earthbones, to create Mundus.

Windscion: I forgot. And he's not Shor, he's someone in place of Shezzar (the watered down version of Shor)

It has been rumoured that Meridia might also have been Aedroth, but that her unspecified "consortings" with equally unspecified Daedra may have gotten a permanent D landed in front of her species title.

What if everyone was lying and each Greymarch Sheo picks someone to turn nuts, pulls the Jygg schtick, and then the greymarch happens again another 1000 years? Kind of like how Hircine periodically has the Bloodmoon and picks the top warriors to be hunted. Just another game to play with the silly mortals.

I do, in a way, hope this is true.

Or that Sheo and Jyggy has tried what you just did, but with Arden-Sul, and both are expecting a different result by doing the same thing and that the curse really is not broken!

She was dating Molag Bal and her daddy, Magnus, threw her out of the house once Meridia revealed she was pregnant.

I can imagine that. *Champion of Cyrodiil dies and enters dreamsleave* "Hey buddy, you got mail."

Dear silly adventurer,

Just wanted to say thanks for all of the effort you put into saving my realm, and hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.

P.S. I'm just [censored]ing with ya! None of that was real. In reality you were sitting on the floor, rolling your turds in to little balls! See you in a thousand years!
Love, Sheogorath

Heard that means the colored spectrum. Iridescent light and all that. The colors that make up white light. Her realm is even called the Colored Rooms.

I would prefer my Molag Bal/Pregnancy/Daddy got pissed theory.

I've heard she hit the roof when she discovered old Molag Bal was also having an illicit affair with Lord Vivec. :shocking:

There are three classes of gods: Aedra, Daedra and Magna-Ge. Meridia was no Aedra, she was once a Magna-Ge.

The Aedra are part of Mundus, the Daedra are tied to it but not a part of it and the Magna-Ge have no ties to it. The Magna-Ge are the ones that left with Magnus during the convention.

Meridia was once a Magna-Ge. However, as soon as she picked up her boy-toy Umaril and started helping him out, she was kicked out of Aetheirous by her daddy Magnus because she began meddling with Mundus, which is a no-no for Magna-Ge. Magna-Ge don't touch Mundus, so as soon as she did she ceased being a Magna-Ge and became a Daedra. Mundus of course was the "Illicit Spectra".



Its not a game, it something the Daedra, as non-Mundane begins,a re forced to do. Before Mundus the gods were slaves to cycles, forced to go about the same things over and over again in repeated patterns without free-will. These cycles allt he Daedra seem to take part in are all part of their nature, things they must do.



Molag Bal has illicit affairs with everything that moves.

Well, here then is a point of inquiry worth the asking. The Ayleid were known to involve themselves with many Daedra, and Meridia was one of the more favoured among them. Her relationship with the Ayleids was not exclusive to Umaril the Unfeathered, and their are implications that it began well before the time of Umaril himself, or at least well before the founding of White Gold tower and its surrounding state. The question then becomes, was Meridia ousted for her affair with Umaril, or had she already been linked to The Daedra before him, either for prior meddling with Altmer OR for dealings with Daedric Princes?

Interesting, but too George Lucas-tying-everything-into-a-neat-little-bow. Life is rarely this serendipitous, even in the ES world.