rash on Start Why? : IV

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:06 pm

I have played a character for a while and just added a few new mods and now I get a crash after the start menu just before the game starts. I have omm and wyre bash all updated with no errors . I have ran it through boss and also test lod so I ams stumped please take a look and let me know where the problem is thanks in advance for any help . here is my wyre load order :

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» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:07 pm

Which mods did you add?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:38 pm

Which mods did you add?

I just added open cities reborn wihich I think might be the problem never used it before also a couple of updates like northern front and snowdale also the upades for a couple of url's. I read the read me twice and I think that that maybe the problem I have never had any problem before this. I have never used open cities before . So this is a first for me .

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:13 pm

I just added open cities reborn wihich I think might be the problem never used it before also a couple of updates like northern front and snowdale also the upades for a couple of url's

Uninstall it (cleanly) and then check the ReadMe very carefully about the installation. This sounds like a missing master issue or a bad INI config.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:04 pm

Uninstall it (cleanly) and then check the ReadMe very carefully about the installation. This sounds like a missing master issue or a bad INI config.

ok I'll try that. By the way you guide really rocks it help me get a lag free and excellent crash free game with alot of mod running great thanks for you guide and help also recennlt install creature diversity never used this before maybe this is causing the problem I will try open cities reborn first and then go from there

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:27 pm

open cities did n't stop it maybe unnecessary violence which recently added with deadly reflex maybe be it I'm still at lose for answers

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:34 pm

I have played a character for a while and just added a few new mods and now I get a crash after the start menu just before the game starts.

That's usually an indication that you have a missing master. Double check to make sure you have all the new mods installed properly. Or you can just disable the new mods one by one until the game starts again to find out exactly where the problem is. Then double check to make sure you have it installed correctly.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:19 pm

That's usually an indication that you have a missing master. Double check to make sure you have all the new mods installed properly. Or you can just disabel the new ones one by one until the game starts again to find out exactly where the problem is. Then double check to make sure you have it installed correctly.

Thanks I'll try that to see which on is the problem

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:16 pm

Thanks I'll try that to see which on is the problem

I have uninstalled everything in the last week and still get a crash after the load screen following the start up screen so I am definitely stumped

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:40 pm

I have uninstalled everything in the last week and still get a crash after the load screen following the start up screen so I am definitely stumped

Try doing a binary search for the culprit. Half your mods continuously until you narrow the issue down to the problematic group of plugins.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:03 pm

Err... so every time you start Oblivion, you get a "rash"? :hubbahubba:

Maybe your Oblivion sleeps around.... :whistling:

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:19 pm

Have you tried deleting your .ini and then launching the game so it can regenerate it?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:22 pm

Have you tried deleting your .ini and then launching the game so it can regenerate it?

how do you do that without start a fresh install?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:47 pm

how do you do that without start a fresh install?

Regenerate the Oblivion.ini - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=know_how_to#RegenerateTheOblivion.ini

Reinstalling the game does not regenerate that file.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:06 pm

how do you do that without start a fresh install?

just delete it and start oblivion as usual. your regenerated .ini will appear like it did wlike when you first installed oblivion

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:13 am

just delete it and start oblivion as usual. your regenerated .ini will appear like it did wlike when you first installed oblivion

So delete it and start ia reinstall from the cd and I won't loose any of the thw wyre and omm stuff in the process?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:02 am

So delete it and start ia reinstall from the cd and I won't loose any of the thw wyre and omm stuff in the process?

Do not reinstall the game. Please, follow the link in my last post (and read the post too.)

Edit: wording

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:27 am

Do not reinstall the game. Please, follow the link in my last post (and read the post too.)

Edit: wording

sorry long day at work eyes are going bad just read your post